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« on: March 11, 2006, 11:13:32 AM » |
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Hello all!
I've been working on a shim for my 17 rem barrel. I get everything just right and the JB weld isn't bonding well to my shim. I roughed everything up with the dremel, I was really careful not to get any release agent where it shouldn't be and the shim pops off with little pressure, frustrating to say the least. I've tried 3 times with the same result. I have some Gorrilla glue, any thoughts on any other bonding agents?? Thanks in advance.
Matt
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2006, 11:48:01 AM » |
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Matt, try warming it up with a torch, then clean it good with a degreaser, repeat a couple times, then epoxy it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2006, 12:41:37 PM » |
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Matt,
by any chance, is your shim stock made of stainless steel? you'll have a rough time getting most glues to stick to it, i would think. it may have to be acid-etched after being sanded-on to get a glue to stick to it. stainless steel can be very tough to coat with good adhesion.
just my two cents,
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2006, 01:14:09 PM » |
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TORCH MY BARREL!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Just kidding, did what you said Quick and it's curing.... again....
SS: Not stainless steel, it's aluminum stock
Thanks for the info guys, can always count on some sound advice
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2006, 02:51:31 PM » |
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You are wasting your time with aluminium, it will flatten out nad you back to square one. Use Devcon Steel Putty. See my web site.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2006, 08:59:25 PM » |
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See my web site.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2006, 09:25:55 PM » |
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See my web site.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2006, 08:54:27 PM » |
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I also tried the JB weld on a barrel lug before, didn't work well for me either. My shim did the same thing popping out.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2006, 08:54:38 PM » |
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what about marine tex? not sure about the spelling....
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2006, 09:09:52 PM » |
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If JB isn't adhering to the barrel lug, you're not getting the surface of the lug clean enough, it needs to be grease and oil free and not be smooth, you'll have to rough up both surfaces to get any epoxy to adhere to it. The shim also needs to be held in place with pressure, that's why I use a C-clamp to hold it there until it's fully cured. I've never used a permanent aluminum shim though, dunno if that has anything to do with the problem.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2006, 10:13:14 PM » |
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I have had no trouble getting a brass shim to stick with epoxy. Just degrease it good. Don
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2006, 07:44:24 AM » |
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Clean, rough and clamped are the secrets. If you know anyone with a sand blaster and aluminum oxide that should do well. As for cleaning, brake cleaner or Lye (draino powder) in water and then rinse. If you really want to do it right wear latex gloves. Hope you get it.
J.B. has fixed a lot of unfixables for me in the past. Engine blocks, stripped weed-eater head threads, etc. I've always used clear epoxies for gun stuff. Tried 5 minute stuff last time on a gunstock, it set after the wood shifted, I ended up sanding away alot of wood.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2006, 09:12:10 AM » |
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degreased with brake cleaner, roughed up with dremel and a punch, used a c-clamp and let set for 12 hours... no good... Devcon steel putty and epoxy here I come...
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2006, 12:27:06 PM » |
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Yeap same here, except for 24hrs. My shim stuck, but when I went to dremel it a bit to finish the edges it popped right out. all 3 times :?
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2006, 12:52:30 PM » |
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Aaron, what's your shim made of??
thx
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2006, 01:06:46 PM » |
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I actually took it of a broke tape measure. It was the perfect size being so thin. I heated it up and made a decent bend that took shape, and roughed it up on the side I was going to JB it to the reciever. Like I said it did stick untill I went to either -1st time..Dremel it and it flew out -2nd and 3rd..Filed it with a small file. I cleaned the area of the lug very clean and the JB actually stuck to the lug very well. Perhaps it was my bad using tape measure metal, but like I said it was the perfect size, and i was able to bend it to form easy enough.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 01:18:23 PM » |
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Well, that's 2 materials that apparently don't work with JB, aluminum and tape measure stock! I've filed the heck out of the feeler gauge blades I've used to get a good tight fit, no hint of separation
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2006, 01:53:18 PM » |
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picked up some JB Stik today http://jbweld.net/products/jbstik.phppackage says it's supposed to have 10-14,000 compressive strength. Will give it a try in the next few days and let everyone know how it turns out |
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2006, 02:25:04 PM » |
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Hope it works, Matt! Too bad Devcon doesn't come in smaller quantities than 1lb. :cry:
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2006, 02:41:53 PM » |
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In the auto section at Walmart, there is a product called Quick Steel that works very well on almost anything! Its cheap and easy to find. I have used it to bed a couple of guns and a few other odds and ends projects.
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