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Default Either Trump is telling the truth about Trump Tower being wiretapped or..............

.........The NY Times printed some more fake news.

I posted this in another thread but I decided to make this it's own thread since I'd love to hear the opinions of some of our resident Trump haters. See this NY Times article from January 19th, the day before Trump's inauguration. If this article is correct then Trump is right about Trump Tower being wiretapped since that's where Paul Manafort lives. If this article is incorrect then Trump is correct in his assertion that the New York Times is fake news. This same story in the print edition of the New York Times on January 20th even used the word "wiretapped" in the headline, front page above the fold on inauguration day. The Times went from saying that the Trump team was being wiretapped on Jan. 19th to "it's an unsupported allegation" just weeks later. So, is Trump right about being wiretapped or is this fake news from the NY Times?


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/u...tion.html?_r=0

Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates

WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.

The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.

It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself. It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November. The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C.

The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said.

Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

Counterintelligence investigations examine the connections between American citizens and foreign governments. Those connections can involve efforts to steal state or corporate secrets, curry favor with American government leaders or influence policy. It is unclear which Russian officials are under investigation, or what particular conversations caught the attention of American eavesdroppers. The legal standard for opening these investigations is low, and prosecutions are rare.

“We have absolutely no knowledge of any investigation or even a basis for such an investigation,” said Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Trump transition.

In an emailed statement Thursday evening, Mr. Manafort called allegations that he had interactions with the Russian government a “Democrat Party dirty trick and completely false.”

“I have never had any relationship with the Russian government or any Russian officials. I was never in contact with anyone, or directed anyone to be in contact with anyone,” he said.

“On the ‘Russian hacking of the D.N.C.,’” he said, “my only knowledge of it is what I have read in the papers.”

The decision to open the investigations was not based on a dossier of salacious, uncorroborated allegations that were compiled by a former British spy working for a Washington research firm. The F.B.I. is also examining the allegations in that dossier, and a summary of its contents was provided to Mr. Trump earlier this month.

Representatives of the agencies involved declined to comment. Of the half-dozen current and former officials who confirmed the existence of the investigations, some said they were providing information because they feared the new administration would obstruct their efforts. All spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the cases.

Numerous news outlets, including The New York Times, have reported on the F.B.I. investigations into Mr. Trump’s advisers. BBC and then McClatchy revealed the existence of a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government.

The continuing investigation again puts the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, in the middle of a politically fraught investigation. Democrats have sharply criticized Mr. Comey’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server. Mrs. Clinton has said his decision to reveal the existence of new emails late in the campaign cost her the election.

The F.B.I. investigation into Mr. Manafort began last spring, and was an outgrowth of a criminal investigation into his work for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and for the country’s former president, Viktor F. Yanukovych. In August, The Times reported that Mr. Manafort’s name had surfaced in a secret ledger that showed he had been paid millions in undisclosed cash payments. The Associated Press has reported that his work for Ukraine included a secret lobbying effort in Washington aimed at influencing American news organizations and government officials.

Mr. Stone, a longtime friend of Mr. Trump’s, said in a speech in Florida last summer that he had communicated with Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group that published the hacked Democratic emails. During the speech, Mr. Stone predicted further leaks of documents, a prediction that came true within weeks.

In a brief interview on Thursday, Mr. Stone said he had never visited Russia and had no Russian clients. He said that he had worked in Ukraine for a pro-Western party, but that any assertion that he had ties to Russian intelligence was “nonsense” and “totally false.”

“The whole thing is a canard,” he said. “I have no Russian influences.”

The Senate intelligence committee has started its own investigation into Russia’s purported attempts to disrupt the election. The committee’s inquiry is broad, and will include an examination of Russian hacking and possible ties between people associated with Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia.

Investigators are also scrutinizing people on the periphery of Mr. Trump’s campaign, such as Mr. Page, a former Merrill Lynch banker who founded Global Energy Capital, an investment firm in New York that has done business with Russia.

In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Page expressed bewilderment about why he might be under investigation. He blamed a smear campaign — that he said was orchestrated by Mrs. Clinton — for media speculation about the nature of his ties to Russia.

“I did nothing wrong, for the 5,000th time,” he said. His adversaries, he added, are “pulling a page out of the Watergate playbook.”

The lingering investigations will pose a test for Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, who has been nominated for attorney general. If Mr. Sessions is confirmed, he will for a time be the only person in the government authorized to seek foreign intelligence wiretaps on American soil.

Mr. Sessions said at his confirmation hearing that he would recuse himself from any investigations involving Mrs. Clinton. He was not asked whether he would do so in cases involving associates of Mr. Trump.

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Looks like a bunch of attorneys splitting hairs. Manafort was apparently under some scrutiny before and unrelated to Trump and his campaign-- and the fact that he lived in Trump Tower does not mean that "Trump Tower " was wiretapped, nor that Trumps campaign was wiretapped, nor Trump himself. Also-- Trump himself was informed of scrutiny and the contents of the "dossier" compiled by the British agent-- so he cannot claim to be shocked now. It says the white house WAS INFORMED--not ordered nor called for-- the investigation, and in fact chose to inform Trump and share the information.
There is no question that both before and during the campaign that persons associated with the campaign had contact with and business dealings with Russian citizens, diplomatic staff, and political organizations involved in Russian issues. Whether or not there was anything untoward is not public knowledge at this time. I sense some animus and obfuscation here from both parties. The saga continues.........
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I think the info Wikileaks has made public yesterday leaves no doubt there is widespread "tapping" being done by the CIA, and most likely without warrants. The FBI may be following legal procedure by obtaining warrants for wiretapping, but even then there is still the question of how "accurate" their information is when submitting those requests for warrants.

I mean, think about it. Does anyone think the CIA has these capabilities and then decide not to ever use them for spying on American citizens?? It's beginning to look like the corruption in the news media and Washington politicians is a drop in the bucket compared to the corruption in our intelligence agencies.
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Looks like a bunch of attorneys splitting hairs. Manafort was apparently under some scrutiny before and unrelated to Trump and his campaign-- and the fact that he lived in Trump Tower does not mean that "Trump Tower " was wiretapped, nor that Trumps campaign was wiretapped, nor Trump himself. Also-- Trump himself was informed of scrutiny and the contents of the "dossier" compiled by the British agent-- so he cannot claim to be shocked now. It says the white house WAS INFORMED--not ordered nor called for-- the investigation, and in fact chose to inform Trump and share the information.
There is no question that both before and during the campaign that persons associated with the campaign had contact with and business dealings with Russian citizens, diplomatic staff, and political organizations involved in Russian issues. Whether or not there was anything untoward is not public knowledge at this time. I sense some animus and obfuscation here from both parties. The saga continues.........
So it looks like we have one vote for fake news from the NY Times.

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We all have enough public evidence to KNOW Trump and/or associates phones were "tapped" by the Feds (probably not literally with copper wires, but the effect was the same). We KNOW there were at least two FISA Trump phone tap requests last year, one of which was turned down and the other was granted - how many others were granted? (Or not granted but survailed anyway.)

How do I KNOW? The NYT/WP "leaked" transcripts of quite a few calls from gov. hit men for Obamma and the DNC are known facts. The present determined lack of interest by the "news" media about learning how the transcripts were illegally obtained and released, etc., is proof enough of the NYT/WP/WSM "news" guilt about the whole issue. And if anyone thinks those were the ONLY "tapped"/recorded Trump team calls the Democrats have in hand please PM me, I have this nice bridge in Brooklyn for sale, cheep.

Is it possible the NSA/FBI/CIA, et al, have all been politically corrupted by BO and company?? I give you the three of them plus the IRS, EPA, DoJ, DoD, BATF, NASA, NOAA, BLM .... and the DNC itself. We KNOW BO had at least Germany's leader Merkle "tapped", plus others from England, France, Australia, Israel and no doubt more. We KNOW our BO had U.S. intelligence "meddle" in at least England's Brexit and Israel's election; more than that? Almost certainly so! And HE accuses Russia of underhanded snooping? Gag.

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If you believe some of the highly touted legal experts that Hannity has had on his program, there were a bunch of laws broken by some Obama officials and they could be prosecuted and spend some time in the slammer.

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The recent fox article by Dennis Kucinich was evidence that it's routine to illegally wiretap people.
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EVERY president does surveillance...

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EVERY president does surveillance...
As a simple point of fact, you're correct and it would be foolish for a POTUS not to do so in terms of foreign intelligence. However, that need for such information nor tacit acceptance does NOT forgive and ignore misuse of that power when used for purely political reasons -- and misuse of that awesome intrusive police power has moral and legal hazards.

It is a proven fact that Trump's phones were "tapped", there's no legitimate question about that. Written transcriptions of a few of the tapped phone conversations were illegally "leaked" to Democrat supporting Washington Post and New York Times for callous political reasons.

The tapped Trump calls weren't about foreign dangers. They were government recorded phone calls that were improperly taken and selected and used specifically in hopes of ensnaring the Trump campaign with an un-defendable suggestion they were colluding with and acting as stooges for Russia. The MSM "news" media tried their best to make that story stick. But, their credibility has been lost and, thankfully, the plan backfired on OBamma, Clinton AND the MSM. Now the whole thing is unraveling. At some point I expect Comey will crack and/or whistle-blowers will come forward to lay it out for the public to see.

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He's yet to provide any evidence of wiretapping.
The Senate Judicial Committee has requested that evidence be submitted Monday.
We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see.........................
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