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post #21 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-14-2015, 11:04 AM
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I have biggish hands and long fingers (most size 'large' gloves are a tight pull on and the fingers a tad too short). Compared to some of you boys mine are not big!
That said, I REALLY like my Ruger 45ACP Birds Head; a nice match of caliber to physical size (close to the orig. Colt's) and barrel length. It is a fine high rise belt or shoulder carry and points well for me. It sets back pretty straight into the hand, then rolls with heavy loads and anything less, like typical 1911 target loads are sweet. I like the 45ACP cartridge but detest chasing brass; this gun solves that! I 'speed load' it out of a flakey 1911 magazine; ie, dump the empties, hold gun in left hand and thumb the fresh loads straight in with the right. Belt, holster and the 1911 mag pouch(s) make a tidy rig. This is my 'mountain gun' these days.
I also REALLY Like the 'plowhandle' AND the Bisley, though in Ruger (a variation of the Croft/Keith design), NOT the original Colt, it doesnt sit right in my hand, too much relief behind the trigger guard at the top. Im lusting for a Ruger Bisley 44Spl x 5.5'(?), but Im holding out for that model in 45ACP............
And I REALLY like the old Super BH grip, on the Super, wouldnt like it on a smaller frame. It seems similar to the Colt's 1860 Army, which I did not like on that model, it seemed 'out of proportion' to me (I preferred the 1851 Navy grip which became the venerable Peacemaker). The SBH grip is beefy enough for me (well, with my custom Elk grips now) that I wont change it to a Bisley (which I had once considered).
Like so much of this, ya gotta live with a handgun for a while to know it, a few test shots wont prove it to you. Sadly, most dont have a close friend with whatever model they are lusting for to loan it for a while or allow for enough live-fire testing to find out if it suits you.

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LAST YEAR I GOT THE 45 ACP BIRDSHEAD
i really like it...it is a vaquero, ruger
i have a blackhawk and supper blackhawk...rugers
don't have a bisley


tho i like the 44 magnum
consider it the BEST round for a single action revolver
i DON'T LIKE the grip....i have tried afew after market grips
it is just too big...shootable yes but
my 357 black hawk with packmyer grips just fits my hand great
and the 45 birdshead fits my hand better


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Taylors is just 50 minutes up the road from me in Winchester. I have never gone up there before. Don't know if they have a showroom or not.


Sometimes, they will have a table set up at one of the regional gunshows, with all of their revolvers on it. The price tags are definitely high retail. No price breaks.


They sell very few at the shows, because there is zero interest in cowboy shoots or cowboys in general in the the Shenandoah Valley.




For many years they have offered a beautiful small framed birds head revolver in .38 special, with a 3.5 inch barrel. I see that they still have it listed on their site as a Stallion Pocket Pistol, birdshead revolver.


If I ever got a single action, I think that this is the one I would get. You could actually use it as your ccw gun.


I have never shot a small birdshead, but I guess that they may be uncomfortable to shoot.


Anyone ever shot one, in the smaller .38 size? (Their earlier advertising was pushing them for the women who are interested in cowboy shooting, or folks with smaller hands.) Even a .38 special can give you some stout recoil if the grip is not just right.


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I have shot the small S&W and Rossi 38Spl's and would LOVE that Taylor's as the little bro to the Ruger Birdshead 45acp.

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I handled one of the short barrelled Taylor's birds head models at a gunshow a few years ago. What surprised me, is that they are pretty darned heavy for such a small looking gun. Way more heavy than a 5 shot J-frame S&W with a 3 inch barrel.




Cimmeron makes a beautiful birdshead model called the Lightning, but it has a Colt 77 type handle, with a square type structure between the top of he grip and the frame. Looks pretty odd. I have never had a chance to handle one. So, hard to compare it to the Taylor's model.


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many I had a thunderer cimmeron in 44 spec and I like that birds head grip much better then the ruger one.

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I have small hands and I find both grips work well for me but I usually thin the wood grips unless they are the 'gunfighter' style; those are perfect! I do like the BH style, but I think historically they were only on the double action 'lightening' and 'thunderer' guns from Colt. Which bothers me not one whit, I still like 'em! 44 Man

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Yeah, I never intended to pretend my Ruger is 'historically correct' compared to a Colt's anyway, it is what IT is and has its own history.

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On ruger single.actions I like the bisley, on any other single.action I like the traditional plow handle, the thing I dislike about the river plow handle is that the bottom of the grip is too wide, on Colts, cimmaron, uberti, and the chiappa 22's the bottom of the grip is slimmer.

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Birds-head, but plow-handles are comfortable to me as well...if they are not tapered. I have a few Rugers with grips that are early as thick at the top as they are at the base. They fit my hand better and seem to make heavier recoil more pleasant.

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