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You may be overthinking this a bit. Buy a revolver, and go shoot it. If the bullet you want to shoot passes (barely) through the cylinder throat, you're good to go.
Do you mean if I pulled a bullet and pushed it through the cylinder throat it would barely fit?

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ive owned probably a dozen older large framed 45 colts and all of them needed cylinder reaming. Afterward some shot great some shot average. Ive had much better luck with 44 mags. All the 44 mag rugers ive owned have been shooters right out of the box. Now the newer small framed 45 colts seem to be much better shooters and are built with correct tolerances. But you give up the ability to run power levels that compete with the 44 mag. Not a real bad thing as they do run at levels of power that will kill about anything short of a large moose or big bear with authority. Most of my hunting with 44 mags is usually at about that level anyway.

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Yes, bullet(s) will work if you can get a selection of, say, .451, .452., 453 and VERIFY those dia with a mic/dial caliper (a good DC!) and mark the center of the base with a centerpunch mark; ie 1 dot for .451, 2 dots for .452, etc. Be careful with them and dont force their fit. Hardcast alloy is best, though what you can get trumps that. Some casters will send you sample packs of their bullets for a nominal fee. If you com with one see if they will provide you with those 3 to find out what your gun will need to feed it. Be sure to save them safely packaged and labeled for future ref.

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Ruger may have fixed the cylinder throat problem to some degree but it still exists. I bought a flat top .45 Colt/.45 ACP earlier this year and the cylinder throats on both the .45 Colt/.45 ACP cylinders slugged at .449.

Cylindersmith has retired by there's a fellow who goes by the name Dougguy on the cast bullits forum who has stepped up. He offers reaming and polishing of the cylinder throats at prices comparable to what cylindersmith did.

Don't let that discourage you. I love my .45 Ruger.
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As I do not want to join another forum to get contact info, can you clear it with Dougguy to post his link up here?

To the OP, your post made (yes, you made me) go play with my TALO 'light' Vaquero Birdshead 45ACP the past couple of days. I have had it a few years but not played with it much. The cyl. throats were originally pin gauged at .4525 and bullets of .452-.452+ did, in fact lead the barrel. Now the alloy was our 'garagalloy', but it has worked well in a variety of guns including rifles up to about 1400fps. I HATE scrubbing lead and lost a whole year somewhere (if anyone finds a year wandering around with my name on it, pls send it back to me).
So, I resorted to buying a cheap box of TULA 45ACP steel case, 230gr. ball ammo at Walmart. I have slowly shot it up and just finished off the last five the other day. I figured the old 'shoot a box or two of jacketed' thru a new revolver cant hurt. Surprisingly they print about only a bit high and (not surprisingly, I seem to do this with sgl act rev's) a tad left and very reasonably tight at 15 yd., standing, one handed (as God, Col.Colt and Wm. Ruger intended). The felt recoil is just fine in the BH. (Isnt spec hardball about 230 @ 830fps-ish?).
I have run some 200-230gr. cast (garagalloy) load development bullets thru it now to find a load that shoots 'to the sights' and have NO leading. I would guesstimate my loads at about 700-750fps, similar to the old 44Spl (really my fav); funny how my cast bullet loads all kinda seem to end up about there.....still, I 'develop' instead of just going there by default : .
SO, get a 45 if that is what you want, if it doesnt work out, get another one, see which of the two you like better and sell the one you dont like.
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When Ruger announced the new vaquero I ordered one. In about a year I had it in my hands.
Barrel slugged at .4515 cylinder throats at .452.


It was more accurate than me but leaded up pretty bad. Accuracy would fall off after 50 rds. Had considerable thread choke that I lapped out.


Marshall Stanton has an excellent article on the Beartooth website about doing this. Ruger, Americas best do it yourself kit.


I couldent tell it shot any better after lapping but I often shoot 500 rds between cleanings. Maybe more.


For me a field handgun must be shootable with out ear plugs when hunting. The 45 colt with cast bullets is the most powerful handgun I can do this with.
I can't load a jacketed round that doesn't ring my ears.


While I've tinkered on mine a little it would be the last handgun I parted with willingly. I've taken several deer, two coyotes and who knows how many rabbits and grouse with it.
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Marshall also has a good article on opening up cylinder throats without the need of a reamer. Just a drill press, a wooden dowel and some fine grit sandpaper. I did this on a sheriff's model (3 1/2" barrel) old Vaquero that I picked up. Cylinder throats were around 0.448, if I recall correctly. My first time doing this, and took them to 0.452 or thereabouts in an hour or so.

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Not specific to the .45C but maybe not inappropriate here?
Ed Harris lapped out a 45acp cylinder with a 30-06 case and fine valve lapping compound to improve the transition from the case proper to the entry to the throats where there was a bit of constriction. IIRC it was in a magazine article??? I no longer have a .45C so I cant check if this would work in such a chamber if there is such an issue with one also.
I have yet to do so (cam e close, though), just shooting a box of hard ball through mine got rid of the leading issue (which was horrible!; leaded within 2 cyl.'s full). So far last year (that is, just up to yesterday ) after about 30 rounds thru it there is no sign of leading. I am using .452 sized (and verified by mic.) cast bullets, which is large as unsized cases will take and still chamber with a final good thumb in. Note that this is with a SWC seated with the band flush with the case mouth (check and trim regularly) as these headspace at the mouth.
If the .45acp chambers have this transition issue I would think it possible that the .45C may also, it is a function of the machining process, not the specific caliber designation. When a cylinder gets finished reamed, after the factory job, it solves this, and more if needed to bring to workable size for cast. I cant help but wonder if the above would help as a first attempt if the cyl. mouths are at barrel groove dia. but the gun doesnt shoot cast decently? That tight transition just out of the case mouth cant be good.

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