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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 03-29-2006, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
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how does a 45 colt compare with a 357 mag revolver for self defense from black bears and where would you place a shot?
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Being able to shoot either accurately is more important. I personally go with the biggest handgun I can accurately shot and practice with. Mine is a 4 inch 500 Mag. But for the 357 Mag and 45 L/C, I would go with the 45 L/C and a head shot is the quickest way to dispatch a full on charge. Not an easy task when you adrenalin is rushing through your body.

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Hot .45s (the buffalo bore stuff) would be more effective that a .357mag. If you're talking about the Cowboy loads, then the .357mag gets the nod.

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I was thinking of a Taurus tracker with factory loads. however from the Taurus reviews on the forum describing lack of quality perhaps I would be luckier playing the slot machines rather than gambling on getting a decent quality Taurus gun
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Just get a .44mag. You can get light loads comparable to .357's and .45's that still have more stopping power.

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I was thinking of a Taurus tracker with factory loads. however from the Taurus reviews on the forum describing lack of quality perhaps I would be luckier playing the slot machines rather than gambling on getting a decent quality Taurus gun
Taurus revolver aren't bad. Their autoloaders, on the other hand, are a different story. However, their .45 Colt Tracker isn't built to handle the hot stuff. Get a tracker chambered in .454 and you'll be able to shoot the hot .45 Colts out of all day long and the cowboy loads for fun.

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I have a 357 Mag Ruger Service Six, SA/DA with a four inch barrell and when I carry it in the woods I load it with Buffalo Bore's 180gr 1400fps and 783lbs of energy. Now this is a self defense gun on black bears only and at close range 10 to 15yds at most. I do not feel unarmed or not safe as this is about the same energry produced from a 44mag 240gr round. The Ruger is a lot lighter and can be worn on a holster all day.

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FK, not trying to pick a fight but.....
My Ruger produces over 1000fpe with a 240gr round. Most reloading manuals show the lightest plinking loads for the .44mag at very near the same energy your hot Buffalo Bore .357 loads produce.
To really compare apples to apples the Buffalo Bore website shows .44mag loads that generate about 1200fpe and one load that exceeds 1600fpe.
I love 357's too but they are nowhere near the same stopping class of the .44mag.
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V-Man,

I'm not saying the 357 Mag. Buffalo Bore manufactures should be used in a grizzly bear hunt. But for black bear as a sidearm for backup it is adequate.

Federal Ammunition shows their 240gr C44A is 1180 fps with muzzle energy of 740 ft lbs in the 44mag.
Buffalo Bore shows their 180gr 357mag round at 1400fps with muzzle energy of 783 ft lbs.

Remington show the same data almost line for line. I am not talking handloads for the 44mag, I was talking store bought ammunition. I had a S&W 629 and hated to carry it. But the Service six with its 4" Barrel is just fine. If I was going hunting with a 44mag I would use the hottest I could get.

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A 357 would definitely be easier to carry, but I would go with a 44 mag. If you go with a 357 or 45 colt, you will have to buy specialty ammo to even be in the same ballpark as standard 44MAG ammo. The standard factory stuff for either the 357 or the 45colt will be way underpowered for bear protection. The 44 mag has proven itself to be potent BLACK bear medicine with 240 JHP. See JJ Hacks posts on the subject in the archives of this forum. He has killed around 100 black bears with a 44 mag and he advises 240 JHP is the round of choice for the task. 44MAG in 240 JHP is available EVERYWHERE, where as the sepecialty ammo will have to be ordered way in advance, so it is not available on short notice if ammo is lost, forgotten, or takes the wrong plane.

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