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I've started looking for a fun gun to compliment my Win. 94 .30-30; something to throw lead at the target range, in the Sierra Nevada mountains during deer season and add to my reloading hobby. I'm interested in the Rossi 92, thinking that the .45 Colt, 20" octagon barrel could fulfill my needs. Not being familiar with hardly any handgun cartridges -- I like long guns -- I've researched both the Colt round as well as the much-ballyhooed .454 Casull. In the course of this quest I ran across Paco Kelly's ".45 (long) Colt in Leveraction Rifles."


It's an impressive article and using a formula to calculate "Killing Scale" of the .45 Colt he writes, "...a .44 mag or heavy loaded .45 long Colt fired from a rifle is more powerful than a .30-30 at 100 yards...actually they are more powerful than the great .30-30 at a lot further than 100 yards..." That's a mouthful, IMO. Do you all concur and have you first-hand experience that supports this statement?


Finally, what's your take on the Rossi 92 in .45 Colt or .454 Casull? Are there any mechanical problems plaguing the firearm beyond the normal new-gun break-in glitches?




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While the 45 colt is a fun cartridge in a lever gun, it's in noway shape or fashion as powerful as a 30-30 at 100 yds, and when it gets beyond 100 yds, the 30-30 makes placing the shot a good bit more certain than with the 45 colt.

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While the 45 colt is a fun cartridge in a lever gun, it's in noway shape or fashion as powerful as a 30-30 at 100 yds, and when it gets beyond 100 yds, the 30-30 makes placing the shot a good bit more certain than with the 45 colt.
While its bullets are not stream lined and will shed velocity and trejectory quicker than a 30-30. DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF... A hot loaded 45 COLT leaves a 30-30 in the dust, power wise even out at 100 yards...

I have load that from my Marlin, shoots a 45Colt with a 250g bullet at close to 2000fps. I have 300g loadings that exceed 1800fps.

The Rossi can be OK or a dog, I have seen both... Winchester and Marlin also both offer 45 Colts. Rossi is the only lever in 454 I know of.

To show the power differences, the 45Colt from a rifle, with these hot loadings, is about 90% of a 454 when fired from a revolver.

My 454 rifle, with a 200g bullet approaches 2900fps!

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Default Re: .45 Colt vs. .30-30

never had a 45 colt anything so i
can't compare. hard to lose with a
30/30. as popular as the colt round
is, there must be something to it
despite the bad reviews and derision
of the magazine writers. what is it-
140 years or so of use now?

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CW, I can't afford the new Made in Japan Winchesters and, while I know the Marlin is a good gun, I prefer the lines of the Rossi. I'd also heard of some accuracy problems in the .45 Colt Marlins in other posts. I do like the interchangeability of the .45 Colt and .454 Casull, but wonder how much I would use that feature in reality. There is a used .454 Puma at my local gun store but I'd read some cautionary tales on this gun as well.


I must admit to being skeptical on Mr. Kelly's claim of the .45 Colt vs. the .30-30 and still wonder how this can be just given the comparative dimensions of the brass casings. Am I correct in assuming that, given the velocity loss and resultant trajectory arc of the .45 Colt at 100 yds. over the .30-30, hitting your target is more challenging with the .45, but that actually doing so results in a cleaner kill if the right bullet lands in the right spot?
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With the loads we are speaking of, and limiting distances to say 150 yards. There is NO appreciable differences in trejectory.

I have not read of accuracy problems with Marlins... at least I don't remember them if I did.

AS for Rossi's, they can be OK to aweful and I like the ''look'' better too as its a copy of a 92 Winchester. The Marlin is too short a action for the 454. The Winchester '94 can take it length wise, but not power wise.

I know about the cost, they are sky high of late...

I would look that Rossi over good and see if you can shoot it before or if not, ask about bring it back IF there are issues.

I have a std 1894 Marlin, a 1894 LTD, a Winchester '2 and two H&R single shots all in 45 Colt. I also have about 10 hand guns so chambered. I have been shooting the 45 Colt on game from both rifles and revolvers for over 25 years. It speaks with authority and within its limited range is a real power house.

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My 20 inch Encore in 45 Colt with a 240 XTP Mag over a stout load of Lilgun will bodyslam anything I need it to. Not putting down the 30-30 as it's performance, past and present, speaks for itself. I'm just a huge fan of the old 45 Colt. Now if you were to step up to a 454 Casull. A 300 gr XTP Mag over a load of H110 or Lilgun in a rifle equals....OMG. When I had my Puma Lever action in 454 there was nothing on this continent that I could hunt and feel under gunned. It's just that bada** !

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Its been mentioned twice now and I too want to be sure its not thought that I don't like the 30-30... Its not that at all. I like the 30-30 just fine!!

The 30-30 is a caliber thats been there and done that, it flat works and all the ''bad'' you read about it is almost 100% people looking to blame something for there poor accuracy or hunting ability.

The 30-30 is pretty much a 200yard gun, mostly because of accuracy constraints of its open sites. Where the 45Colt lever hot loaded is under the same limitations. Its large diameter bullet makes up for the vel loss with in those yardages.

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wow these 45 guys are believers!ill give them that!
they exude passion.and maybe rightly so. it is a good round.but if im standing 100 yrds from a bull elk, the 30 30 is my choice.
i have and shoot 45s.love them. but i dont expect the same performance as a bottle neck rifle cart.
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