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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-18-2017, 09:31 PM Thread Starter
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I've got this itch I'm wanting to scratch. A home built shot load. Being as how I'm a contrarian I want it in .32 caliber.

I've got a choice of 32 S&W, 32H&R, and 327 Fed brass I can use. I have Unique available.

Any suggestions on how to proceed? By the way, .41 is also available but the .32 is preferred.


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Looking for some 38/357 shotshell capsules.....

The redirect in this link seems engaging. Pretty simple really. How much powder to shot is the key I think. I don't have any data on that. If you find some, please advise...
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You want a very small shot shell fired in a rifled barrel. Understand that even at its best you won't get much range but 8-10 feet is possible. I do it with .303 Brit cases modified to fit a .44 Magnum chamber because standard cases are too short to hold much powder and shot. Mine are deadly on snake heads at 6 - 8 feet.

1. Fine shot works best, #9 or smaller, as much as you can get on top of a few grains of Bullseye or Red Dot. I use 3 gr of Red Dot but for your slmaller cases I'd start with maybe 1 1/2 - 2 gr. Bullseye. It's virtually impossible to load enough powder and shot to make it dangerous to shoot but excessively hot charges will blow through the powder wad and do sad things to your pattern.

2. An "over powder" wad of toilet paper packed in tightly with a dowel rod end, use just enough paper to make it maybe 1/8 " thick, works about as well as anything fancier. After it's packed down, drip 4-6 drops of candle wax on the paper wad to weld it more or less together much like an old time fiber shotgun wad.

3. Run your charged cases into a seater die and "crimp" roll the mouth just a tad to give your shot cluster something to grab hold of.

4. Add as much fine birdshot as you can get in and still be flush with the case mouth. (stacked up, over filled shot "round offs" are too fragile for much handling.) Drip another 5-6 drops of melted candle wax over the top exposed pellets to seal them into a more or less solid blob. The pellets easily upset and separate when fired but mine don't pull out when (modest) regular cartridges are fired.

I have a tentative plan to extend the length of my shot column by placing a rolled paper sleeve inside. I'll make it long enough to completely fill the cylinder and use the same melted wax treatment to hold everything together before firing.

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You want a very small shot shell fired in a rifled barrel. Understand that even at its best you won't get much range but 8-10 feet is possible. I do it with .303 Brit cases modified to fit a .44 Magnum chamber because standard cases are too short to hold much powder and shot. Mine are deadly on snake heads at 6 - 8 feet.



1. Fine shot works best, #9 or smaller, as much as you can get on top of a few grains of Bullseye or Red Dot. I use 3 gr of Red Dot but for your slmaller cases I'd start with maybe 1 1/2 - 2 gr. Bullseye. It's virtually impossible to load enough powder and shot to make it dangerous to shoot but excessively hot charges will blow through the powder wad and do sad things to your pattern.



2. An "over powder" wad of toilet paper packed in tightly with a dowel rod end, use just enough paper to make it maybe 1/8 " thick, works about as well as anything fancier. After it's packed down, drip 4-6 drops of candle wax on the paper wad to weld it more or less together much like an old time fiber shotgun wad.



3. Run your charged cases into a seater die and "crimp" roll the mouth just a tad to give your shot cluster something to grab hold of.



4. Add as much fine birdshot as you can get in and still be flush with the case mouth. (stacked up, over filled shot "round offs" are too fragile for much handling.) Drip another 5-6 drops of melted candle wax over the top exposed pellets to seal them into a more or less solid blob. The pellets easily upset and separate when fired but mine don't pull out when (modest) regular cartridges are fired.



I have a tentative plan to extend the length of my shot column by placing a rolled paper sleeve inside. I'll make it long enough to completely fill the cylinder and use the same melted wax treatment to hold everything together before firing.


Thanks a ton. The fed case is what got me thinking it might be possible. S&W loading in a much longer case.

I'm planning a trip out west, the snake at spitting distance is what this is for.


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Seems like I have seen comments that folks might use a couple proper size gas checks between powder and shot and over shot - but have never tried it and those gas checks would be significant projectiles themselves - could be hazardous in the wrong place.

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I handed loaded some .410 shells by using an overshot card made out of cardboard. Bought a hollow punch kit from Harbor freight, found one about the size of the .410 hull opening and cut out the cardboard (from some packaging material such as what the punches came in). I put it over the shot and glued in place with elmers school glue. I could see that working just as well for other cases. May even use the same cardboard for an over powder card also. I believe a 5/16 punch might be about perfect for a 32. I used the drill type hollow punch and put in drill press, makes punching out cards easy.

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Rosewood, how does a drill type punch differ? I got the kind you hammer from Harbor Freight, but don't remember seeing any other kind.
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i had the itch to build a ''rat gun''
currently using a ''SMOOTH BORE'' 22lr

what i wanted was a 357 handi......remove all the rifling
posibly attempt a backbore/choke

tried to get a cheap beater barrel from some one but failed

but 36 cal or 41 cal...not that much different
i already have several 410s and a bag of 410 wads

now just need to find the motivation
NOISE is a consideration....i shoot them at night
and i get pretty close......10 to 40 feet max
thinking larger shot to make up for reduced powder/noise

but my point.....410 is the path of least resistance
we don't have to fill up that big hull
[speaking about the 41 as if it were a ''big hull''....overkill]

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Rosewood, how does a drill type punch differ? I got the kind you hammer from Harbor Freight, but don't remember seeing any other kind.
http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece...set-67030.html
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Speer still makes shot capsules in .38, .44 and .45 caliber, come in box of 50 each and include the base wad which also closes the capsule. Speer's reloading manual includes load data for these capsules. Ballistic Products will sell you a small bag(1lb., I think) of # 12 shot and it is the deadliest thing I've ever found on close range small vermin. I've never killed a snake with anything that the dead snake didn't squirm for quite some time...EXCEPT #12 shot. A head shot at 10-15 feet simply turns off his whole system...doesn't move...DRT!!!
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