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Hi All, was sitting around pondering the velocity limitations of cast bullets in rifles with jacket bullet twists... a thought crossed my mind...

Seems that cast bullets in a .223 case could be downloaded to .22 LR to .22 Mag specs.

Any downside to it other than it might cost more than rimfire ammo?

Is it a reasonable substitute where .22 LR is appropriate?

(OK... maybe I am just looking for an excuse to get a .223 Handi or bolt gun, LOL!)
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I use a Savage Axis and a Handi, both in .223, as if they were .22 Mags, except loaded with my cast 55gr bullets instead of the usual 40-50gr of the .22 Mag. I tried down-loading both to .22LR levels, and the Axis did better than the Handi due to it having 1:9" twist instead of my Handi's 1:12" twist (the newer ones had 1:9), but still not great. They both seemed to like the bullets going at least 1600fps per my chrono, and 1900 was better. But when I tried to drop velocities to around 1100-1200fps, both groups went south quick on me. The Axis consistently did 2"@50yds down to 1300fps, but the Handi went from 2.5"@50yds at 1500fps to 6"@50 at 1400fps. Now to be fair though, and I'm sure this had some effect, the Handi has a 4x32mm scope and the Axis has a 3-9x40mm. I'm considering dedicating the Handi as a cast bullet shooter at around 1800fps since it does 1.5"@50yds and 3.5"@100yds there, and going back to using the Axis as a jacketed bullet shooter at full power, but haven't decided yet.
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I have been considering loading 55 gr jacketed over Trailboss to get .22 lr velocities. Haven't done it yet though.
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I was in the process (2014-2015) of casting and loading the 51.0-ish grain, 22 Bator bullet, gas checked, lubed and sized to 0.225", in 223 caliber for a 1:9 bull barreled Handi. The process has gone dormant. Life got in the way. Several loads of IMR 4227 had promise at 50 yards. Stretched to 100 yards, not so good...yet. I have a lot of that powder. Another powder might be better in the long run.

The chronograph was contemplated, and will be again, but concern for early separation of the 22 cal. gas check and nothing to shield the sky screens were good reasons (at the time) to wait. I don't have that figured out, but it is not an insurmountable issue. I kept good notes...so getting back on track won't take too long. Maybe a piece of steel in front of the sky screens with a hole through which to shoot would do, but any "miss" and rebound would be a grave concern at 15 feet in front of the muzzle.
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One thing to keep in mind loading below the listed lowest load on the chart can be as bad as overloading

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Hornady has a 35g ballistic tip bullet that can be loaded down to around .22 mag specs with Unique. I've done it in the Hornet but not in the .233....

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Excellent call, Geezerbiker! Unique is exactly what I use.

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The concern you mentioned about underloading is with slow powders. So something like Varget, 3031, 4895, etc would not be good candidates. However any pistol powder is perfectly fine. I did my experimenting with Unique and Red Dot, but got better results with Unique.
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Hodgdon's calculator shows a load for .223 with Trail Boss that is just under the speed of sound. http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle
Case: Winchester Twist: 1:12" Primer: Winchester SR, Small Rifle Barrel Length: 24" Trim Length: 1.750"
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Hodgdon Trail Boss .224" 2.200" 4.0 1,074
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I'm loading the 35g Hornady V-max bullets with 4.5g of Unique in my K-Hornet loads. From the looks of the primers, I could easily load them hotter but I don't see any reason to. I suspect you'd have to use a bit more in the .223 to get the same pressure.

It's very accurate load but the idea was a light fire-forming load... I don't have a chronograph so I can't say how fast they're going..

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that just not make any good sense. just go buy a 22. ****!
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