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Offline zoner

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.321 cast bullet
« on: February 15, 2009, 06:08:37 am »
i am new to cast bullet shooting and loading,right now i'm working with a 150 gr FN PB bullet  i got from Western Bullet. The gun i am shooting is a M94 Winchester in 32 win special. I've found lots of links for bullet companys and notice not all of them sell bullets for my gun.i have found bullets listed for 32-40 the right diameter(321-322)...my question is can i use the 32-40 bullets in my gun...can i seat them and get a proper oal for the 32 special or do i need to buy bullets specifically for 32 special?I hope to shoot the 150 grainers at 1300-1400 fps with pistol powder loads(win 321) and have data to support this......

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.321 cast bullet
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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2009, 08:11:33 pm »
The short answer is yes, if.....your bore is tight enough for the .321 slug. My 32WSpcl is ok with it and a fellow shooter and I used to share the same mold (it was his) and he was shooting 32-40.

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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2009, 09:44:31 pm »
Yep, I have that same gun and use Lyman mould # 321297 weights about 187 grs. sized to .321.  This is a gas check bullet and I load it to same velocity as the factory 170 gr.
It's a accurate as the factory jacketed loads and seems to kill just as well.  Be careful loading
powders that a double charge still doesn't fill the case, take a dowel and mark it for your load then drop it down each case to be sure you have no double charges.
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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 10:58:00 pm »
  I am totally unable to answer whether any one elses mold will function in your rifle.  Also, regarding overall length, that is not a concern so long as the rounds will cycle through your gun.

  If I were to make you a mold I would fit to your rifle, which is mandatory to be sure of good results without a lot of experimenting.  Two posters have slipped in their comments and results with their 32 cal rifles.  Happy campers because they got results, but what they offer isn't standard for 32 Specials accross the board, if my 30 years of moldmaking experiance mean anything.  I would say my average customer, in those 30 years, has reported bad results with conventional molds.  From the measurements I have taken of throat slugs, it appears this is true because they tend to run oversize more than say the 30-30's, which seem to be the easiest cartridge out there to get cast to perfrom well in when not knowledgable.  Also the 32 has a slower twist rate, which requires better bullet guidence. 

  I have never had a complaint, but recieved all good reports from those who had me make molds to fit their guns.

  Whatever your bullet is, use it as fat as it comes from the mold, if it will chamber easily.  Also, experiment with some slower powders and you'll get better velocities with accuracy from the PB.  296, and 4198 are excellent powders which will give results far superior to the fast pistol powders.

  Pay close attention to Hanks warning about using less than half a case full of powder.  A stout load of fast powder becomes a bomb when doubled.  I prefer to not use loads which can be double charged without running the case over.  It's SO much nicer to clean up some spilled powder than to get an expensive ride from the range to the hospital, then have to buy a new gun after the months of healing!
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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2009, 08:49:42 am »
thanks guys

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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 03:54:17 pm »
Veral-
Hope I didn't step on any toes. Your experience far outweighs mine, and your advice is always superior.

The experience I shared came from some 20 years ago, long before I became acquainted with you and your teachings (which I do appreciate). I was out of work for a winter (and in between wives); nothing to do but cast and shoot that old 32WSpl. It was a borrowed Lee mold and I handlubed them as cast:183grFPGC. I found most pistol powders terribly finnicky, but some were a joy to shoot. I also found H335 would drive that bullet past factory fodder by over 100fps. I took 2 Antelope, a Mule Deer and a small cow elk with it (doesn't make it an Elk rifle!).

I've read that you really like 748, and am branching out on a program to use that in the next round of loads for all my cast hunting stuff in the 32WSpl and my 356W.

Again, if I stepped out of line, apology extended.

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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 09:53:09 pm »
Yeah Veral, sorry, didn't mean to butt in forgot this was "ask Veral" not ask Hank.  Lyman doesn't make that old mould that I use.  It has worked well but if I were getting a new one
it would certainly be a LBT.
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Re: .321 cast bullet
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 07:51:34 pm »
  I had the corns trimed off my toes so didn't feel any pain guys.  I truely like input so long as I don't have to counter false stuff.  I guess I don't like cast bullet notions mostly because they discourage so many cast shooters, causing endless experimenting with no way to get hoped for results.  Solid facts and  knowledgable procedure delivers every time, so I demand it, now that I know.

  Rumer has it that there are at least a handfull of other shooters, beside me, who know a little about cast bullets!
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