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Offline irishman

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Shipping cannon fuse
« on: May 28, 2010, 01:35:17 pm »
What hoops do I need to jump thru to LEGALLY ship cannon fuse? My interest is to send small amounts, (no charge) samples with my barrels for Customer Convenience. While we are here, what are the codes controling black powder, on the same basis,(sample amounts?)

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Shipping cannon fuse
« on: May 28, 2010, 01:35:17 pm »

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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2010, 04:00:26 pm »
What hoops do I need to jump thru to LEGALLY ship cannon fuse? My interest is to send small amounts, (no charge) samples with my barrels for Customer Convenience. While we are here, what are the codes controling black powder, on the same basis,(sample amounts?)

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We can't directly answer your question here as it requires a legal opinion.  We can however discuss the practice as done by others.

I'll start by saying I don't think it's worth your time or effort, especially blackpowder. 

You need to contact ATF&E and see if you need and Explosive distributor license for giving a way samples of powder and fuse .  If you do you will need learn what legal procedures you must follow once you get you license. 

Next you need to contact the Department of Transportation for a definition on the lawfully allowed methods of shipping black powder and fuse.  You also need to find out if these items can be shipped as HAZMAT or  ORM-other regulated material.

After that you will need to contact your shipper and get established as shipper of Hazardous material.

In the long run, I think you be better off just enclosing a list of suppliers of the materials and let folks procure their own.  Please feel free to copy the list of suppliers for our black powder cannons link list, or drop me an email and will send you the formatted info


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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2010, 04:52:05 pm »
The first thing I'd probably do - which would NOT give you a legal opinion, but a better idea of what would be involved - would be to contact the supplier you use the most for these things and ask them what kinds of legal hoops they must jump through.  If you make it clear that you are planning on supplying small samples and referring your customers to them, you may even get some sort of agreement from them for a discount for your samples in exchange for your exclusive endorsement of them.  I know BP will be an issue - in any quantity, but fuse may not be, but possibly depending on the type.

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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2010, 07:00:43 pm »
Last time I received fuse it came US Mail... marked "Surface Mail Only"....  been a couple years though.
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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2010, 07:29:06 pm »
Why ask why ? I agree with DD it has been shipped to me with nothing special AS FAR AS I KNOW . ::)

I do realize that the consequences could be wild severe for a bidnessman not knowing the rules  :o.

now that you asked for perrmission you may have to tell them on ordering ....oh yea and get some fuse !

proly not  ;D  maybe  ????? ........   good to hear from you  !   :)


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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2010, 07:30:40 pm »
Yeah.. I don't think fuse is considered explosive, or HAZMAT and my recent order was also shipped USPS with no extra charges. Like DD said, consult an attorney, but it may be easier than you think.
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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2010, 07:58:46 pm »
If cannon fuse is considered safety fuse, it's mailable as has been stated, safety fuse is the only fuse that is mailable, all other fuse types are considered a nonmailable  explosive.

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341.2 Mailability, Packaging, and Marking

Explosives are generally prohibited from mailing under 18 U.S.C. 1716. The following conditions apply to the mailing of explosives:

   1. International Mail. All explosives are prohibited.
   2. Domestic Mail via Air Transportation. All explosives are prohibited.
   3. Domestic Mail via Surface Transportation. Generally, explosives are prohibited. The only exceptions are for Division 1.4S toy propellant devices and safety fuses that have been approved by the Manager, Mailing Standards, USPS Headquarters, Washington, DC prior to mailing as stated in 341.22 and DMM 601.10.11.2.

 341.21 Nonmailable Explosives

Nonmailable explosives found in the mailstream must be immediately reported in accordance with POM 139.117.

Nonmailable explosives include, but are not limited to, the following:

   1. Common Fireworks. Fireworks are classified as Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosives depending on the degree of hazard. Fireworks include roman candles, skyrockets, helicopter–type rockets, cylindrical and cone fountains, pyrotechnic wheels, illuminating torches, firecrackers, salutes, and combinations of items that are designed to produce any of the aforementioned types of effects. All types of fireworks are prohibited from mailing.
   2. Fuses. Fuses are classified as Division 1.3 or 1.4 explosives depending on the degree of hazard. All types of fuses (except safety fuses as permitted under 341.22) are prohibited from mailing.

 341.22 Mailable Explosives

The following specific types of explosives may be mailed only when the applicable conditions are met. Full responsibility rests with the mailer to comply with DOT and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) regulations before mailing.

   1. Toy Propellant Devices. The proper shipping name for a toy propellant device is “model rocket motor” or “igniters.” A toy propellant device assigned UN0454 or NA0323 and classed as a Division 1.4S explosive is eligible for mailing in domestic mail via surface transportation only when prior written permission has been obtained from the Manager, Mailing Standards, USPS Headquarters, Washington, DC. A device approved for mailing is subject to the following conditions:
         1. Each device must be ignitable by electrical means only; contain no more than 30 g (1.07 oz) of propellant; and produce less than 80 newton seconds of total impulse with thrust duration not less than 0.050 second.
         2. Each device must be constructed so that all chemical ingredients are preloaded into a cylindrical paper or similarly constructed nonmetallic tube that does not fragment into sharp, hard pieces; must be designed so that it will not burst under normal conditions of use; must be incapable of spontaneous ignition under 500° F; and must not contain any type of explosive or pyrotechnic warhead other than a small, activation–charge, parachute–recovery system.
         3. Each mailpiece containing approved devices must be prepared for mailing following Packaging Instruction 1A in Appendix C. A shipper’s declaration for dangerous goods is required.
   2. Safety Fuses (UN0105). Safety fuses consist of a core of black powder over–spun with yarns, waterproofing compounds, and/or tapes. Safety fuses assigned UN0105 as a Division 1.4S explosive may be mailed in domestic mail via surface transportation only when prior written approval has been granted by the Manager, Mailing Standards, USPS Headquarters, Washington, DC. Mailable safety fuses must be prepared using Packaging Instruction 1B in Appendix C. A shipper’s declaration for dangerous goods is required.

      Note: “Safety Fuses” are not to be confused with “fusees.” Fusees are rail and highway distress signals that are nonmailable Class 4 flammable solids.

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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2010, 08:06:31 pm »
Thanks quickdtoo ! great info ..........you lived up to your handle !
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Re: Shipping cannon fuse
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 09:25:50 pm »
 I got 6 rolls of fuse from Milltown Mt. a few months back, To Iowa it came by mail, Shipping was $9.10 , Hope this helps.