Author Topic: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum  (Read 6060 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline hesco

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 59
rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:45:53 am »
  anyone rebarreled a nagant, was looking into doing one in .44 mag should work fine with no other mods the bolt recess is a little large, still looks like it extract fine, even feeds the .44mags from the magazine.

Graybeard Outdoors

rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:45:53 am »
 

Offline Langfur Buchsen

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 27
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 03:00:23 pm »
blocking the rear of the mag to hold 44s securely and making a replacement spring & follower for the shorter cartridges would be the hurdle...

but... & I'm interested to know... why?

Offline hesco

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 59
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 03:28:58 pm »
 Why, cuz i live in a disalousioned state ,indiana, rifle cartriges are legal to hunt deer with in a handgun, but only pistol cartriges are legal in a rifle, their are a lot of nagants with corroded out barrels that would be perfect for this project.

Offline TNyoteboy

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 75
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 11:50:16 am »
Why, cuz i live in a disalousioned state ,indiana, rifle cartriges are legal to hunt deer with in a handgun, but only pistol cartriges are legal in a rifle, their are a lot of nagants with corroded out barrels that would be perfect for this project.

Well that's ass backwards????????????????

Offline jlwilliams

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1494
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 12:46:01 pm »
  I looked into doing this a while back, never got to the front of the list.  I think it will work fine.  You won't need to do anything to the magazine.  Just rebarrel the rifle and go.  Only down side I can see is that if you don't have a lathe, the cost of buying a blank and having it turned and threaded to fit the action may be more than the cost of a used 44 mag rifle (like a marlin or something) or even a new Handi.  If, on the other hand, you can do it yourself for the cost of the barrel and the time then you're coming out ahead.  The Mosin Nagant can take more pressure than the 44 mag is gonna dish out.

  Mosins are cheap enough guns.  You can save yourself some issues by starting with one in reasonable condition.  While you could start with one with a sewer pipe barrel,  the rest of the gun will be well worn too.  You can pick up M-44 types (carbine length with atatched bayonet) in great shape for under a hundred bucks.  Start with one that's not all shot out and you won't have problems with the extractor or anything like that.

  Rifle caliber pistols and pistol caliber rifles.  OK. Well, that's government for ya' ???

Offline hesco

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 59
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 06:16:03 pm »
   Was looking at the ruger 77/44 but their a lot of $$$$$ have a lathe, now if i can find a nagant for around a hundred or less. and a barrel.

Offline jlwilliams

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1494
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 04:28:52 am »
  gunparts had 44 mag barrel blanks for reasonable money not too long ago.  I'd give them a try.  You can probably find a deal on a Mosin with a WTB add.  People who have bought one (or two) and fallen out of love with them often have trouble selling or even finding a store to take the consignment because there are so amny on the market .  If you want to sell for a hundred bucks, add on a consignment fee and you are now over the price of the next one down the gun rack.  If you have a C&R you can get one without paying a transfer fee, otherwise put out a WTB add and try for an in state face to face deal.

  I'd offer to sell one of mine, but by the time you get it shipped and pay a tranfer.......

Offline jburris2001

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 125
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 02:45:39 pm »
I'm wanting to do this also. dunhams had the nagants for 89.99 the other day. I just have to find a barrel blank.

Offline fireball168

  • Trade Count: (6)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 76
  • Gender: Male
    • BFG Design LLC
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 05:49:47 am »
I just have to find a barrel blank.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=593070&catid=6748

I'd be more inclined to go with this one I think:

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=585600&catid=6748

If my notes are accurate, the barrel tenon is .980-16, and .937 long.  The cylinder portion ahead of the tenon is tapered from 1.182-1.090 over 1.93".  Then a radius to .775".

Either of those blanks would work.

BFG Design LLC
Indiana DNR Legal PCR Cartridges
Custom Brass, Bullets and Dies
AR-15, Thompson Center and Savage Barrels
www.bfgcartridges.com

Offline Lon371

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (53)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2512
  • Gender: Male
  • Why Not a Handi?
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 08:58:53 am »
hesco

 Wish you would have posted a month ago. I sold one for $100 with aftermarket stock and bipod. Where are you In Indiana? Couple gun shops down here have them and the pawn shops.

Lonny


Offline hesco

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 59
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 08:49:41 pm »
  nabb, indiana. went to orion arms,  and several pawn shops today looking.

Offline Lon371

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (53)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2512
  • Gender: Male
  • Why Not a Handi?
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 12:44:00 am »
  nabb, indiana. went to orion arms,  and several pawn shops today looking.

Nobody is from NABB :D Just kidding. That is a big city you have over there.  My inlaws live down town Nabb :o. Father In Law is Raymond Adams.

Lonny

Offline wtroger

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • *****
  • Posts: 349
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 12:31:26 pm »
Do it in a 500 SW the bolt face is the right size. I did one and it shoots very well the only real challenge is getting it to feed. But it can be done. Talk about knock down power. I used a Polish made model 44 those are around for less than a $100.00. Be warned that getting the old barrel off is a chore they are screwed on tight but once again it can be done

Offline mcwoodduck

  • Trade Count: (13)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8524
  • Gender: Male
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2010, 12:39:01 pm »
What is the PSI of 500 S&W and what is the PSI of 7.62X54R?
The Nagant is not a real strong action.
My fear would be the bolt sheering off and becoming an auto ejector while your head is still down on the stock.

Offline hesco

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 59
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 04:47:22 pm »
  operating pressure for the 7.6x54 is 40,000 to 45,000  best info i could get on the 500 was over 50,000 could be loaded down. 44 mag saami max is 36,000.

Offline mcwoodduck

  • Trade Count: (13)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8524
  • Gender: Male
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 04:48:55 pm »
I did not think 44 Mag wouold be a problem but was not sure about the 500S&W.

Offline jlwilliams

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1494
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 06:18:20 am »
I did not think 44 Mag wouold be a problem but was not sure about the 500S&W.


  I'm thinking the same.

Offline Hooker

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1582
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2010, 08:22:57 pm »
How about a 357 Max?
With cartridge length of about 2 1/4 inches and the ability to use spire point bullets it would make a sweet conversion.

Pat
" In the beginning of change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man,hated and scorned. when the cause succeeds however,the timid join him...for then it cost nothing to be a patriot. "
-Mark Twain
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

Offline Vassal

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6
  • Gender: Male
  • VASSAL-of-ONE
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2010, 11:31:36 pm »
For what its worth, this site lists the EURO standards. They are a bit higher than SAAMI sometimes. This info seems to imply that (if teh 500 IS 50) a solid MOSIN action would be fine for the 500SW. The Bolt face is only about .005 off!! HMMMMMMM.


http://kwk.us/pressures.html

If one did a 44mag Why not use the length and go 444!

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea what I am talking about. Following my suggestions or advice has often proven to be a bad decision.

VASSAL-of-ONE
Missourians for Mosins

Offline Lon371

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (53)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2512
  • Gender: Male
  • Why Not a Handi?
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2010, 01:25:13 am »
 Vassal
Quote
If one did a 44mag Why not use the length and go 444!

The reason the .44 and the 500 was thought about is because of Indiana Deer hunting rules. ;)

Offline Airsporter

  • Trade Count: (9)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 923
  • Gender: Male
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2010, 03:00:01 pm »
 I'd be more inclined to go with this one I think:

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=585600&catid=6748 [/quote]

Be careful.  The NEF handi's had oversize bores for a while.

Offline Freezer

  • Trade Count: (14)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 698
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2010, 07:58:42 am »
Ok, your making a nagant sporter.  What will you do about the trigger and safety?

Offline mitchell

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2081
  • Gender: Male
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2010, 11:12:11 am »
wouldnt the bolt face be a problem the 44mag is .514 the 762x54r is .567 any ideas
curiosity killed the cat , but i was lead suspect for a while

Offline gunnut69

  • Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5069
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2010, 04:46:19 pm »
There was a piece in an old 'GunDigest'(Gunlist) by Reid Coffield I think that's where I saw it and he converted a Nagant to a sporter. He sawed the bolt handle off (cut off grinder) and welded a new one onto the bolt body behind the receiver ring(memory lapse but maybe wrapped around the bolt ala remington 700). A notch was cut down into the wall on the right of the receiver behind the receiver ring to provided a safety lug. Being bent it also allowed the low mounting of a scope(side mount).. The safety of the Nagant should work ok as is for a scope.. I know of no replacement for the trigger so it will have to be worked and used. It should suffice nicely for such a short range round as we are discussing..
gunnut69--
The 2nd amendment to the constitution of the United States of America-
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Offline Airsporter

  • Trade Count: (9)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 923
  • Gender: Male
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2010, 03:36:35 pm »
I know of no replacement for the trigger so it will have to be worked and used. It should suffice nicely for such a short range round as we are discussing..
http://timneytriggers.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=50

Offline hesco

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 59
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2010, 06:38:54 am »
wouldnt the bolt face be a problem the 44mag is .514 the 762x54r is .567 any ideas


   the case will self center on the bolt when chambered, will just have extra clearance around the bolt recess.

Offline Freezer

  • Trade Count: (14)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 698
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2010, 10:02:51 am »
Ok... thet finially have a decent trigger and safety.  Why 44 mag and not 454 casual?

Offline D Humbarger

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 196
  • Gender: Male
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2010, 05:34:17 pm »
Why, cuz i live in a disalousioned state ,indiana, rifle cartriges are legal to hunt deer with in a handgun,


In that case I would consider doing a 375 JDJ. / 375x444.  It should feed fine in that Rushkiy
Try to look unimportant.   Your enemy might be low on ammo.

Only Handi so far is a 375 JDJ.

Offline Lon371

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (53)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2512
  • Gender: Male
  • Why Not a Handi?
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2010, 07:10:17 pm »
Why, cuz i live in a disalousioned state ,indiana, rifle cartriges are legal to hunt deer with in a handgun,


In that case I would consider doing a 375 JDJ. / 375x444.  It should feed fine in that Rushkiy

 They do not qualify for Indiana Deer rifle. Case length rules (Rifles must fire a cartridge with a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches.)

Lonny

Offline jlwilliams

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1494
Re: rebarreling mosin nagant to .44 magnum
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2010, 06:01:25 am »
  They sure do have some specific ideas of what they want you to shoot.  I think the OP is right on with the 44 magnum.  Two simple but irrefutable reasons; it's legal and effective.  Add to that the availability of 44 mag ammo and components and it's a hands down winner.

 

go2gbo.com Webutation