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« on: May 09, 2006, 11:57:52 am »
I have been looking in my reloading books at these 2 powders and see that most of the charges are almost the same  most are with in a few 1/10 grs of each other.

are these to powders the same?  or is one better then the other?
my dealer wants $23.98 for a lb of H110 and $27.98 for W296.



I know one should always work up when switching powders and starting new lots


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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2006, 12:02:42 pm »
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H110 and W296 are made in the same plant and are, in fact, the same powder.  The difference is whose container it ends up in.  The difference you see in load data are due to noraml lot-to-lot vaariance, the differences in the individual firearms used to collect the test data, etc.

There are other powders with similar names that are NOT the same.  IMR4198 and H4198, IMR4350 and H4350, etc.  But, for now, H110 and W296 are the same.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2006, 12:07:20 pm »
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I have been looking in my reloading books at these 2 powders and see that most of the charges are almost the same  most are with in a few 1/10 grs of each other.

are these to powders the same?  or is one better then the other?
my dealer wants $23.98 for a lb of H110 and $27.98 for W296.



I know one should always work up when switching powders and starting new lots


They are the same, I buy a lot of H 110 because I can get it a lot easer because the gun shops carry it. I sometimes only find W 296. So I use both.   :D
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2006, 12:08:07 pm »
I always known that H4895 and IMR 4895 are not the same.

I burn a lot of the IMR4895 to know this.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2006, 10:08:04 pm »
I tested the W296 and then couldn't get it.  

Now my son and I have a H-110 habit that is fed with jugs not pounds of the stuff.  Great powder for .357 mag 110 gr bullets .44 mag 180 gr bullets and 454 Casull 300 gr bullets... :grin: Yes I am that crazy guy two lanes down at the indoor range that is making all the noise.

BTW those prices seem a little steep?  Did they include tax?  Cabela's lists H-110 for $21.99 per pound then there is the $20 Hazmat fee to contend with.  If there is a Sportsmans Warehouse near you they have the best prices, at least in Arizona.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2006, 03:17:50 am »
Are there other Winchester powders besides Winchester 296 that have an exact equivalent in the Hodgdon line?

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2006, 03:13:07 pm »
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I tested the W296 and then couldn't get it.  

Now my son and I have a H-110 habit that is fed with jugs not pounds of the stuff.  Great powder for .357 mag 110 gr bullets .44 mag 180 gr bullets and 454 Casull 300 gr bullets... :grin: Yes I am that crazy guy two lanes down at the indoor range that is making all the noise.

BTW those prices seem a little steep?  Did they include tax?  Cabela's lists H-110 for $21.99 per pound then there is the $20 Hazmat fee to contend with.  If there is a Sportsmans Warehouse near you they have the best prices, at least in Arizona.



Yes I agree those prices are high, I pay $19.00 to $20.00 for my H110 and about $18.50 for my W296 at my local gun shop.
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2006, 08:36:36 pm »
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Are there other Winchester powders besides Winchester 296 that have an exact equivalent in the Hodgdon line?


Yes several others but at the moment I can't remember all of them. I think W760 and H414 are one pair of them. Hodgdon at least until recently still sold their equivalents to the old Winchester 540 and 473 powders I believe. Seems like one of them is to be or has been dropped also. HP38 is I believe W231.


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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2006, 08:04:51 am »
[quote="jrhen BTW those prices seem a little steep?  Did they include tax?  Cabela's lists H-110 for $21.99 per pound then there is the $20 Hazmat fee to contend with.  If there is a Sportsmans Warehouse near you they have the best prices, at least in Arizona.[/quote]

when you ar ethe only dealer with in a 20 minute drive you can charge just about what you want for the powder

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2006, 08:44:01 am »
The commonality between Win & Hodgdon are onle the ball powders. H-380=W748, H-414=W760, H-110=W296, HS-6=W540, HS7=W571. Win 540 & 571 have been discontinued for some time now. All the Hodgdon extruded powders are made by Mullwee(sp?) in Australia, and most of these are classified as "Extream Powders" ie; temp insensitive. The only powder Hodgdon ever produced was Pyrodex. They suffered a big explosion and fire at that plant which killed the inventor of Pyrodex. I don't know if they rebuilt or outsourced the new production of Pyrodex.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2006, 09:07:11 am »
The commonality between Win & Hodgdon are onle the ball powders. H-380=W748, H-414=W760, H-110=W296

I contacted Hodgdon via e-mail.  My contact readily acmitted that H110=W296.

I also asked about H380=W748 and H414=W760 and he said they were NOT the same.  I'm not sure I really believe him since when one compares charges of H414 vs W760 in the Hornady manual, they are suspeciously very near the same.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2006, 12:06:59 pm »
I thought H335 was closer to W748 than H380.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2006, 09:44:46 pm »
I use H-110 for all my .44 mag loading and I give $21.95 for it at Simmons (a local dealer) in Birmingham.Don't know about the other one,but Iam sold on the H-110 :lol: ......Rick
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 08:35:40 am »
I haven't called the company to confirm this but W231 and HP-38 seem to be functionally equivlent.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2006, 09:47:49 am »
Any way to get a confirmation on H380=WW748..........never heard it but it makes sense.

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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 11:21:34 am »
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Any way to get a confirmation on H380=WW748..........never heard it but it makes sense.
Actualy it makes no sense at all.  For one of many examples, compare the data in Speer #13, page 281 for 150-grain bullets in the .308 Winchester:

H-380 - 49.0C = 2578 fps - 52.6 fps/grain
W748 - 50.0C = 2868 fps - 57.3 fps/grain

A 290 fps difference in velocity for one grain of powder?  Nope, the two powders are clearly not even close, the difference is far more than would be expected due to two different lots of the same powder.  Other Speer data for other cartridges which use both powders confirm the answer.  We can definatively say that H-380 is not the same as W748;  H-380 is actually much closer to H-414.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2006, 11:33:30 pm »
I have several pounds of H380 and just bought a new 8lbr of WW748.  Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, they dont look similar.  

I have used WW748 more than just about any other powder.  Use it in my 7TCUs, TC30-30, 7x30waters, etc.  Use H380 in the .22-250.  Never noticed a similarity in my manuals.  I will have to go check it out now.  

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