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« on: November 10, 2009, 05:52:59 PM » |
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I found this while searching for a pic of Gary's Seven barreled Visser collection thingage. European Antique Arms Store - Cannons |
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 06:57:05 PM » |
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I had to put plastic over the key board so I didn't short it out with drool!
If I played the lottery and won big I would want one of everything.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 07:01:39 PM » |
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yea no kidding droolin . Hokie mokie . it's proly good I dodnt know how much is a L in europe ...!
I liked that little french 1 lber
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 09:44:15 AM » |
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I liked that little french 1 lber I think of that one as "the cannon the store wants you to think is a French 1 pdr.." If there are any marks on it I can't see 'em and there's no text with that in it, so I tend to think it might be a French 1 pdr. but who knows. I've studied small French cannons and this doesn't resemble any others I've seen either in person or in catalogs, or in scholarly works on historic cannons, so the store is kinda hangin' out there with its opinion, or sales pitch, whatever. I agree it is a nice looking little cannon, whatever it really is. Who is going to volunteer to get more info from the store on marks and how they know it is French? Gary, you ask 'em! |
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 11:52:02 AM » |
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Torpedo LOOSE!!! straight and true ........ we'll see if I get any feedback .  I used words like provedence , and requested all known markings . checked twice for spelling as I dont think the French are up to Garese ...... If they get back to me ,I will start to ask about the carriage ,and it's authenticity . OK John clue me in on some good questions to ask ? Gary |
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 12:05:12 PM » |
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Looking through their site, I noticed the barrels were seemed to be all photographed in the same red naval carriage,
but it seems they have these built for each barrel, I finally found a photo showing several in the same style red carriages.
Sir Richard would be home here! They not only have cannon but some nice 3/4 and 1/2 suites of armor.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 04:02:47 PM » |
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The shop seems to be in Holland not France. Most educated Dutch speak excellent English, so there is every likelihood that Gary will receive a response. I used words like provedence, and requested all known markings. checked twice for spelling as I dont think the French are up to Garese ...... Gary, you shoulda checked thrice! They will understand an enquiry about provenance, but "provedence"? It is a nice looking cannon. If I understand the metric measurements correctly, it has a 2" bore and is about 35" long. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 04:54:46 PM » |
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Gary, I've noticed that the profile of this supposed French gun is very similar to the 16½'', .91 cal., brass naval gun that I recently got, so if you do call these wood soled souls, would you please inform them that I'm more than willing to make an even trade. Their gun for my gun, even though the French lineage of their gun may be questionable, and I'm certain that mine originated in Oregon.  |
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 06:06:37 PM » |
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Dear Mr Lorenz, There are no markings at the gun. I have not a provenance, Best regards Ton Bolk ----- Original Message ----- From: gmlorenz@comcast.net To: bolk-antiques@home.nl Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: Request for more information. A very nice bronze 1 pounder French naval-cannon, late 18th century, length of the barrel 88 cm, kaliber 5.3 cm. Item information from the database: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Title: A very nice bronze 1 pounder French naval-cannon, late 18th century, length of the barrel 88 cm, kaliber 5.3 cm. User information: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Gary Lorenz Address: 2143 Sherri Mar . St. ZIP: 80501 City: Longmont Country: Co. Telephone: 303 678 0716 From: gmlorenz@comcast.net Message: Sirs, I would like to know a little more about The French 1 lber . Can you tell me all markings on this gun ? Any known providence ? It interests me as a nice little gun . Thank you Gary Lorenz Well here is the reply . |
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 06:14:32 PM » |
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The shop seems to be in Holland not France. Most educated Dutch speak excellent English, so there is every likelihood that Gary will receive a response. I used words like provedence, and requested all known markings. checked twice for spelling as I dont think the French are up to Garese ...... Gary, you shoulda checked thrice! They will understand an enquiry about provenance, but "provedence"? It is a nice looking cannon. If I understand the metric measurements correctly, it has a 2" bore and is about 35" long. You must be aware of regional varriations in die a lecte  ,such as southern ? Northern region ,eastern tonque North Carolineaian .......? ..... |
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 06:46:10 PM » |
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Good job Gary, you got the info I needed. So who knows what it is, no one. Sure it coulda been made in France, but just as easily in Ohio or Taiwan or Korea, we'll never know.
If you want a piece to sit in the den and look cute it is about as good as any.
My particular affliction is that I prefer to collect military pieces, most of which should have markings which were required when they were accepted into service
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 06:50:20 PM » |
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They do have a VOC gun from the Visser Collection foir sale.
what does the price work out to in real money ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 07:06:17 PM » |
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Go here to convert currency. http://www.xe.com/ucc/ |
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 07:10:41 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 07:28:55 PM » |
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what does the price work out to in real money ?
Gary, what kind price range are you looking in, in US green dollars, 'cause I can deal with that? I might see one tomorrow, you never know, and if it was in your price range I'd put you in touch with it. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 07:31:06 PM » |
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What is a L ?
Like this: £ ?
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2009, 07:34:02 PM » |
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Yes ,that's it . I know it means pounds ,or lire .....
Cannonmn , IM sending .
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2009, 07:41:29 PM » |
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£ is pounds sterling, UK money. More than $1 to a £. More like two.
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2009, 07:46:16 PM » |
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Thats kinda what i thought . Or close anyway ! Thanks Gary
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2009, 12:10:41 AM » |
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Dou you mean £ British pounds
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2009, 12:51:15 AM » |
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I hate websites who doesnt put the price out on the items they are selling  |
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2009, 12:55:00 AM » |
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It's kind of like boats; if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it.  |
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2009, 09:33:10 AM » |
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some of them show prices ,the little model 18th century gun is 38.50 E ? its 43 cm long (15"?)
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2009, 04:25:23 PM » |
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some of them show prices ,the little model 18th century gun is 38.50 E ? its 43 cm long (15"?)
Gary RocklockI, I'm guessing that Meneer Bolk isn't quite that sales oriented, although it might be a good ploy to get more customers into his shop. The amount being asked for that field gun model is actually 3,850 (Three Thousand Eight Hundred and Fifty) Euros. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2009, 04:35:38 PM » |
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That isn't £ for British pounds but € for Euro and is about $5700.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2009, 04:55:40 PM » |
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I'm gonna have a lay down .  open a beer too ! |
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