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Last December, during muzzleloader season, I missed a nice buck at 6 below zero. The hammer fell in slow motion.....fail to fire. I'm sure the cold gelled what little gun oil was in the frame. It shot fine when I got it home. I don't want it to happen this year and I'll be useing 3 handis and the Huntsman. Can I flush the frames with brake cleaner or some other solvent to dry them out? Then, what to lube with if anything?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2009, 07:48:45 AM » |
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Pete A friend of my had suggested that I check out this new product. Here is the web site. www.strike-hold.com He is a highway patrolman, and says that it is the new "do all" for him. I ask him to pick me up a can, so he will give it to me at church today. After reading about it and looking at the video of the same web site. I gotta have it. This may be the answer for your search. Good shooting to you my friend Jim
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2009, 08:34:44 AM » |
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2009, 09:24:01 AM » |
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Last December, during muzzleloader season, I missed a nice buck at 6 below zero. The hammer fell in slow motion.....fail to fire. I'm sure the cold gelled what little gun oil was in the frame. It shot fine when I got it home. I don't want it to happen this year and I'll be useing 3 handis and the Huntsman. Can I flush the frames with brake cleaner or some other solvent to dry them out? Then, what to lube with if anything?
Pete
I use Ballistol and haven't ever had that problem. Granted, below zero weather is rare here but does happen. I may stick some Ballistol in something and put it in the freezer tonight. It's minus 12 in there.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2009, 09:34:24 AM » |
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Whatever you use, make sure it doesn't harm the trigger guard first, I'd put a little on a test spot to see if it's gonna soften the plastic.  Breakfree CLP is functional in weapons at -65ºF, I would use it or nothing.  Tim http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/breakfree.htm
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2009, 10:01:59 AM » |
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Up here in the north i run as clean as possible on any moving parts! I use gun scrubber solvent to clean any moving parts! Then a drop of clp or teflon lube! I had a 7400 rem that I would run dry without any extra lube just a gun scubbing on a cold below zero day! NO LUBE  Maybe one or to shots thats all not a banana clip full! Gun scruber is less destructive my only choice ! (brake cleaner/Choke cleaner are destructive on certain plastics and finishs) but still test a spot as Quick said!
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 05:05:55 AM » |
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Thanks guys. I have gun scrubber, but I ordered Strike Hold. I'm impressed with their claims. It sounds like something I need around the farm and vehicles for lots of other uses too.
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Keep both eyes open and make the first shot good. The growing Handi/Sportster/Pardner/Topper Family: .22 WMR, .22-250, .223, 7mm-08, .30/06 SS, .357 Max. 22 inch blk syn MC , .357 Max. 16.5 inch BC Carbine, .445 Super Mag., .45LC, .45-70, .50 Huntsman SS, .410, 20 ga.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 08:46:51 AM » |
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Plese let us know how that product works Pete. DP
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 09:04:50 AM » |
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Breakfree---+1
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 09:53:13 PM » |
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I have to call B.S. on Breakfree working down to -65.It will even freeze up at -20 and warmer. From experience as an infantryman in Alaska ,I'd say there is no lube reliable in sub-zero weather.Even special issue lube for cold weather would freeze up the bolts on our m-16's.Even when not frozen they were effectivly turned into single-shots.We quickly learned to remove the bolt ,strip it down and remove all lube before going out into the cold.They operated very reliably without lube and I know we fired a lot more rounds than anyone will on a hunting trip.Be sure to clean and oil when you get back in.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2009, 01:18:07 AM » |
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You're probably referring to one of the older variants of Breakfree products such as Breakfree LP, Breakfree CLP has some awesome specifications. Tim
BREAK-FREE (CLP) TECHNICAL REPORT
BREAK-FREE CLP MIRACLES? MAGIC? MYSTERY?
BREAK-FREE CLP is not a miracle product. It contains no magic ingredients. It was not conjured up in a secret cave by long-forgotten tribesmen then discovered suddenly by smart marketers and offered on late night TV.
But how BREAK-FREE CLP performs on firearms is nothing short of miraculous, sometimes described as magical and is truly mysterious to those who try to copy the formula.
In truth, BREAK-FREE CLP is a scientifically formulated synthetic liquid specifically designed to do three important tasks simultaneously.
1. Clean metal 2. Lubricate metal 3. Protect metal
BREAK-FREE CLP is made from a unique combination of synthetic oils and other ingredients blended through a proprietary series of processes developed by BREAK-FREE's Technical Director Don Yoder. Both the ingredients and the processes used to combine them are closely held secrets, and no other product has been developed that duplicates either the formula or the way it works.
FROM PLATING TO FIREARMS
Don Yoder developed BREAK-FREE in 1973 when he was running a hard-anodizing and nickel plating operation where the constant presence of sulfuric acid fumes caused rapid corrosion of metal. Based on his extensive practical background in aeronautics and oceanography applications for, Yoder wanted a product that would be a superior lubricant and rust inhibitor, would penetrate to the base metal and would last a long time. In addition, it had to be safe both for the user and the environment. In his laboratory, Yoder discovered that his combination of ingredients delivered the performance he wanted only after they were combined, while the individual ingredients by themselves did not. The synergism is what makes BREAK-FREE CLP the effective product that it is.
MILITARY REQUIREMENTS
To increase reliability and performance to reduce misfires and malfunctions in various military weapons, the U.S. Army issued in 1971 a "purchase description"--PD-48-- listing the performance properties of a single, multi-purpose product to clean, lubricate and protect weaponry. These included, in broad terms, the following requirements:
1. It must easily remove firing residue, carbon deposits and other contaminants during the cleaning process, and prevent the rapid buildup of subsequent deposits during firing which cause malfunctions and weapon failure.
2. It must lubricate moving parts, including those which bear a heavy load, and it must continue to lubricate over long periods of time and use. At the same time it must not be sticky or greasy so as to attract dust, sand or dirt which would cause malfunctions. As a weapons lubricant it must function under all conditions - extreme heat or cold, in mud, water, dust, etc.
3. As a corrosion preventative it must protect the weapon and preserve it in a "grab-and-go" condition in all climatic conditions - high humidity, rain, snow, etc., and it must protect the weapon against corrosion in field use, even in extreme conditions such as salt water environments.
The requirements were so severe that PD-48 became known as the "impossible specification," and from 1971 nothing was found to come even close to meeting its requirements, until BREAK-FREE CLP was introduced.
The U.S. Military began testing BREAK-FREE CLP in 1976 and for almost three years it carried out test after test in the laboratories and in the field on weapons of all types from the M16 rifle to 8 inch artillery howitzers, until finally, in 1979, it was completely satisfied that BREAK-FREE CLP not only met the "impossible specification," but even exceeded its requirements.
MIL-L-63460
The U.S. Military then created a new cleaning, lubricating and protection specification, MIL-L-63460, (largely based on PD- 48 and the exceptional performance of BREAK-FREE CLP), which set out new and extremely high performance requirements for a single product cleaner, lubricant and preservative and the test methods by which to evaluate its performance.
BREAK-FREE CLP was approved by the U.S. Military to the MIL- L-63460 specification, and since that time has been continuously used as the primary maintenance product by the U.S. Army, Navy and U.S. Air Force for cleaning, lubricating and preserving all weapons...tanks, mortars, rifles, machine guns, or guns on battleships.
Since their introduction, MIL-L-63460 and BREAK-FREE CLP have become recognized by Militaries around the world as the standards by which to ensure the maximum performance and protection of weapons and weapon systems, and both have been adopted by 20 countries throughout the free world, including NATO, which has given the specification the NATO number S-758.
THE BREAK-FREE CLP WORLD
The following countries are among those that have adopted BREAK-FREE CLP to clean, lubricate and protect weapons from small arms to naval guns: Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Singapore, New Zealand and U.S.A.
WHAT HAS THIS MEANT FOR THE MILITARY
By using BREAK-FREE CLP to replace other cleaners, lubricants and preservatives, the Military has achieved:
*Better and easier cleaning with fewer malfunctions caused by accumulation of firing deposits.
*Improved and longer lasting lubrication for improved weapon performance and reliability in temperatures ranging from -50 C to +240 C -- increased mean time between failures.
*Weapons can be cleaned and left in a "grab-and-go" condition. No need to remove grease or de-oil before firing.
*Improved corrosion protection, in all climatic conditions and environments.
*Easy, one step cleaning, lubricating and preserving.
*Because it can be done easily and quickly, weapon maintenance is more likely to be done correctly.
*The soldier has to carry only one item in the field for all his cleaning, lubricating and preserving needs.
*The costs and burden are significantly reduced.
*The frequency of weapon maintenance can be reduced.
*Material and labor costs are reduced.
*The reliability, maintainability and dependability of weapons is improved.
*Weapon life is extended.
*Combat readiness is improved.
In summary, BREAK-FREE CLP provides the most combat weapon, able to function in all conditions and environments.
*It reduces the time and difficulty of weapon cleaning, lubrication preservation.
*It lowers the frequency of weapon maintenance.
*It extends the life of the weapon.
*It improves the performance and reliability of a weapon.
*It reduces the cost by replacing 5 products.
And...it does it for less overall cost.
But perhaps the greatest benefit of all is that it may save the life of the soldier or policeman who depends on his weapon to work at all times.
It really no wonder that BREAK-FREE CLP is used by so many Militaries and law enforcement agencies throughout the world.
KEEP YOUR FIREARMS IN "COMBAT READY" CONDITION...AND RECEIVE THE SAME BENEFITS REALIZED BY THE MILITARY
While claims such as this are made by many other cleaners, lubricants, preservatives and miscellaneous potions, and may sound very convincing, BREAK-FREE CLP'S long association with and acceptance by the Free World's armed forces proves the validity of this report.
BREAK-FREE CLP is a balanced formula created from years of development work combined with field testing to ensure that the "balance" fulfills the user's needs.
Operation at low temperatures; corrosion resistance for tropical climates; lubrication for all weather operation as well as Bore cleaning were some of the required conditions to be met. Each one working without detracting from another.
BREAK-FREE CLP has achieved this balance and offers the long term values.
All of your own guns...handguns, rifles, shotguns,...should be kept in peak condition by caring for them with BREAK-FREE CLP, remember, however, that guns do not clean or lube themselves. Be sure to clean and lubricate all working parts, chambers, actions and barrels using proper techniques.
BREAK-FREE CLP can be applied to the bore of a firearm from either end and should also be applied to the firing pin, bolt, receiver, etc., of the rifles and shotguns. When cleaning a handgun, apply a light coat of BREAK-FREE CLP to all surfaces of the barrel, forcing cone and mechanical parts, as well as to the magazine of an semi-automatic pistol if it is dirty or rusty. We do not suggest spraying BREAK-FREE CLP on ammunition, even though test reports on file show that BREAK-FREE CLP did not affect primers on rounds soaked in it for two weeks.
WHAT BREAK-FREE CLP WILL DO FOR YOUR FIREARMS
CLEANING
Unlike degreaser-type bore cleaner, BREAK-FREE CLP never leaves metal unprotected. This is why proper gun care procedures caution against getting bore cleaner in the action where they leave a dry, unlubricated residue that can inhibit normal operation of working parts. With BREAK-FREE CLP. the cleaning action goes right to the base metal, undercutting contaminants including powder residue, lead and copper fouling. It breaks these contaminants free of the metal and lifts them away. It leaves behind a barrier film that both lubricates and protects the metal from corrosion. This film will not attract dirt as regular gun oils do and consequently will not permit firing residue to build up on metal surfaces.
LUBRICATING
Because BREAK-FREE CLP last so long, it provides superior lubrication for moving metal parts. Most other oils and combination products evaporate so quickly, virtually all protection is gone within hours. In the case of heavier oils and wax-bearing compounds used for lubrication, dirt and burnt powder are attracted to the metal and a gummy residue is formed.
PROTECTION
Corrosion is the enemy of all metals, and steel used in firearms is very susceptible to rust because of the often harsh environment firearms are used in. BREAK-FREE CLP protects metal better than other gun care products because its protection outlasts mineral oil and wax based products. Salt-spray tests prove that BREAK-FREE CLP protects metal in conditions far beyond what the average hunter or shooter will put his firearm through. Other products tested fail in a very short time and leave the metal unprotected against rust.
WHY MANY PRODUCTS CANNOT MEET THESE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS
Ordinary single-function solvents, even with vigorous scrubbing, will not dislodge the solid particulate in the microscopic striations of the metal surface, consequently leaving some traces of contamination, dust, dirt, oils, water and corrosion.
The bulk of popular consumer products use a combination of solvents, waxes, and inexpensive mineral oils to provide lubrication. While these provide some short term results, they usually fail at the points where they are needed most. One of the most popular lubricants and corrosion inhibitors for many manufacturers is wax. Temperature changes and use causes was formulations to undergo composition change that eventually becomes gummy and forms varnish, lacquer-like residue. Inexpensive mineral oils also have similar shortcomings. Mineral oils of this type can break down under heat and pressure to form a gummy sludge.
Another major flaw in many products is the tendency to focus on one property, such as wear, at the expense of other properties, such as corrosion prevention.
THE MILITARY TESTING PROGRAM: PROVING HOW EFFECTIVE BREAK-FREE CLP REAL IS
The military does not accept new proposals lightly, particularly when it affects so many of the weapons they use. Therefore, the testing and evaluation was undertaken in 3 distinct steps from 1976 through 1979.
Step one: FIELD TESTING
BREAK-FREE CLP was an unknown. To provide some history, many weapons were tested using BREAK-FREE CLP to replace the standard lubricants. Handguns, rifles, machine guns and Vulcan gatling guns were tested, each with success.
In each case, the ease of use, ability to clean the bore and lubricate the weapon showed there was promise.
Step two: LABORATORY TESTING
With the apparent success working on actual weapons, the next step was to measure the various properties and quantify them.
The only yardstick available was a purchase description, PD-48, issued in May 1971, to describe a multipurpose cleaner, lubricant and preservative for use on small arms weapons. Eleven basic values were measured:
1. Flash Point C(F)...........65.5 (150)
2. Pour Point C(F)............-59 (-75)
3. Shell 4-ball Scar dia......0.8 mm max.
4. Falex Wear Life............20 min. @ 250 lbs.
5. Falex Peak Load............1 min. @ 750 lbs.
6. Firing Residue Removal.....80% minimum
7. Primer Salts Removal.......No Corrosion
8. Metals Corrosion in milligrams per square centimeter max
...........................Zinc...........1.5 ...........................Aluminum.......0.2 ...........................Brass..........1.0 ...........................Steel..........0.2 ...........................Copper.........1.5 ...........................Magnesium......0.5 ...........................Cadmium........1.5
9. Humidity Cabinet...........900 hours min.
10.Salt Spray Cabinet........100 hours min.
11.Water Displacement and water stability..No Corrosion
This would later be expanded in MIL-L-63460 to include:
12.Viscosity at +40 C.............9 cst. min.
13.Viscosity at -54 C.............3700 cst. max.
14.Residue & fluidity -54 C.......Permit Movement
15.Chemical Agent Detector Paper..........No affect
16.Corrosion Protection From Propellant Reaction....................No Corrosion
In each case, BREAK-FREE CLP met or exceeded the requirements of PD-48, and eventually MIL-L-63460.
These tests are still used today in routine quality control testing to guarantee the continuing quality of BREAK-FREE CLP.
Step Three: CONTROLLED GUN FIRING
From the success in the Field Testing and the Laboratory Testing, a controlled Gun Firing Test was needed.
Since nothing existed to measure the value of the lubricant, they used the original qualification tests of the M16-A1 and M60 machine gun. BREAK-FREE CLP was used on 3 M16-A1 rifles and 3 M60's while LSA (MIL-L- 460000) was used on an additional set of 3 each. The testing was done in great detail. Endurance, sand & dust, mud, low temperature, and a salt water dip were all part of the program using the cyclic rate of fire and failures to fire to develop the expected MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure).
BREAK-FREE CLP proved to be far more reliable than LSA, particularly in the salt water dip where CLP showed a 400% improvement over LSA lubricant on the M60 machine gun.
The conclusion for the military was simple: A single product to replace several, reducing inventory and saving on the cost of logistics, coupled with an improved "Mean Time Between Failure."
The apparent success from informal field trials was now a proven success with laboratory style gun firing supporting the previous conclusions of field personnel.
BREAK-FREE CLP was approved in 1979 and began entering the inventory in 1980 where it has now seen extensive service worldwide for over 10 years.
That only comes from the consistent quality and reliability provided by the BREAK-FREE, Inc. CLP formula.
PROBLEMS BREAK-FREE CLP WAS DESIGNED TO SOLVE AND HOW BREAK-FREE CLP SOLVES THESE PROBLEMS:
1. CLEANING OF FIRING RESIDUE: Unlike other bore cleaners which mainly attack only the soluble portion of the contaminant, BREAK-FREE CLP actually penetrates through all the contaminants dow to the microscopic striations and crevices of the metal, breaking free all of the contaminants in one process, and as it breaks the contaminants away from the surface of the metal, BREAK-FREE CLP lifts the residue away from the surface of the metal where it can then be removed by brushing, patching, etc.
2. PREVENTING BUILDUP OF CONTAMINANTS: As it penetrates to the surface of the metal, BREAK-FREE CLP leaves a barrier film on the metal that is non-sticky and dirt resistant.
3. REDUCTION OF CLEANING FREQUENCY: Because firing residue does not rapidly build up on the thin barrier film, cleaning is not needed as often. Subsequent cleanings are far easier because the residue does not stick as it does to untreated, bare metal.
4. REDUCING METAL-TO-METAL WEAR: The multiple ingredients in BREAK-FREE CLP include polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) which forms a boundary film in support of the lubrication properties of BREAK-FREE CLP. The thin barrier film that adhere to metal after contaminants are removed maintains it viscosity without drying out or evaporating. BREAK-FREE CLP keeps working from -54 to +246 C(-65 to +475 F).
5. DISPLACEMENT OF WATER: BREAK-FREE CLP treats water like any other contaminant, separating it from the surface of the metal so no rust-causing moisture is left on the metal's surface.
6. PREVENTING CORROSION: Corrosion inhibitors in BREAK-FREE CLP prevent the formation of rust, while dirt, firing residue and moisture are kept away from the metal by the film left on the surface of the metal.
7. ALL-WEATHER OPERATION: Unlike mineral oils that tend to change molecularly, lose viscosity or stiffen up in temperature extremes, or solvents that dry out, BREAK-FREE CLP keeps working in any environment including high and low temperatures, dusty or dirty atmosphere, high humidity or even salt air. The non-sticky nature of BREAK-FREE CLP does not let contaminants build up, and will keep firearms or other equipment in a read condition for months.
THE MANY USES FOR BREAK-FREE CLP
Wherever there is metal to be cleaned, lubricated and protected from corrosion, you will find BREAK-FREE CLP the ideal way to allow metal to survive. In addition to the military, the California Highway Patrol (CHP) and many other law enforcement agencies have adopted it as their sole gun care product. General Motors packages a Break-Free product under the Mr. Goodwrench label for automotive use. Harley-Davidson, under its own label, uses BREAK-FREE CLP on motorcycle chains. Industrial plants have replaced many types of cleaners, degreasers, lubricants, and corrosion preventatives with BREAK-FREE CLP as a single product to handle many tasks.
Wherever you look around your home, workshop, sporting equipment, automobile or boat, you will find metals that need to be kept clean, lubricated and protected from rust and other corrosion. Use BREAK-FREE CLP in all these applications and discover the benefits the armed forces discovered a decade ago. Look for BREAK-FREE CLP at your local gun, sporting goods or hardware store. BREAK-FREE CLP is available in many sizes of aerosol cans, liquids and non-aerosol sprays through your local gun, sporting goods or hardware outlet.
BREAK-FREE CLP TECHNICAL DATA (Test Data on File)
*Meets or exceeds MIL-L-63460 specifications.
*Operating temperature range: -53.9 C (-65 F) to +246 C (+475 F).
*Firing residue removal: 98%.
*Noncorrosive -- pH neutral.
*Nonconductor -- dielectric constant 2.18.
*Pour Point: Below -59.4 C (-75 F) (ASTM D97).
*Flash Point T.C.C. (Tagliabue Close Cup).
Before Application: above 65.5 C (150 F).
After Application: above 210 C (410 F).
*Liquid does not support combustion. (ASTM--D1266 lamp method combustion).
*Specific gravity: Approximately 1.0 gm/ml.
*Weight: Approximately 1.0 kg/liter (8.3 lbs/gal).
*Salt spray resistance: (5%) 100 hours plus.
*Humidity cabinet test: 900 hours plus (Fed. Std. 791).
*Falex wear life: 20 minutes minimum at 250 lbs.
*Falex Load carrying capacity: 750 lbs (minimum). (MIL-L-63460)
*Wear preventive characteristics (four ball wear scar): .8mm (ASTM-D2266)
*Viscosity @ -53.9 C (-65 F): Approximately 3700 centistokes.
SAFETY INFORMATION
1. Product is non-toxic, however, it contains petroleum distillates, so must carry the package warning label: "Harmful or fatal if swallowed. If swallowed, do not induce vomiting. Call physician immediately."
2. Is not considered an irritant to normal eyes and skin.
3. Will not harm gun finishes, automotive or equipment coatings.
4. Aerosols have CO2 propellant for environmental protection, extra safety and sprayability at lower temperatures, and do not contain freon propellants or butane/propane propellants.
5. "Certified by U.S. Coast Guard for use as an article of stores on board vessels. This certification only covers hazard in the use of this product. The efficiency of the product is not passed upon." (Certification No. 1024, compressed gas, 13 October 1976. Certification No. 1025, combustible liquid, 13 October 1976.)
If you have any requests for information or new suggestions for the use of BREAK-FREE CLP, please feel free at anytime to contact BREAK-FREE INC. at the following address:
BREAK-FREE INC. Attn: Customer Service P.O. Box 25020 Santa Ana, CA 92799-5020 Telephone: (714) 953-1900 FAX: (714) 953-0402http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/breakfree.htm
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2009, 06:35:42 PM » |
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Seen at WalMart a Winchester Product called Break- free CLP is this the same stuff?
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Here is how it is done with high speed film cameras, should be perfect for H&R's. Flood the entire action with Naptha, I would say a large can of lighter fluid should be good, get every drop of oil out of it, I would do it outside. Then dry it out for an hour or so. Now flood the entire action with lock lube, the kind that has graphite suspended in it. The carrier will totally evaporate out leaving only the graphite which will lube the action parts for you. Wipe off what you don't want lubed and you will be set down to -60 C or so. Cameras done this way will run no matter how cold they get, they make a lot of noise, but they always work, the only thing that stops them from working is the film gets so stiff it shatters. Some times the old solutions are a lot better and well tested than the new stuff. You will probably never find this in the books, just something learned from 40 years of doing it. Larry
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2009, 10:07:21 PM » |
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Well I checked ...the stuff is Breakfree CLP.I've still got some from back when.I wasn't knocking Breakfree...it's great stuff, but it did cause problems with m-16's and m-60's in sub-zero temperatures.We also had another lubricant that was made for extreme cold that gave us the same problems.Can't remember what the other stuff was called .At any rate the solution was to go with no lube in the extreme cold.
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 01:30:36 AM » |
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I clean everything good with WD-40. Leave it dry during the winter, no lub what so ever. No problem they work just fine at 45 below. I'm not going to shoot anything when it is colder than that.
In the spring I spray Breakfree in the action area.
Correction: The gun works just fine, the powder does not work as well when it is that cold. Especially the Black Powder substitutes. Sky tried to shoot a Moose one year when it was 30 below. Gun was sighted in dead on at 100 yards at 40 degrees. 125 yard shot the bullet hit between the animals feet. Meaning it was five feet low at 125 yards, due to the cold temps.
My Handis work just fine, but those Mini-14s sound like they are going to come apart. They work dry, but don't sound good. Same thing with the Remington 7400, sounds bad during the winter when dry. In fact the Remington sounds so bad I quite carrying it during the winter.
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Where is old Joe when we really need him? Alaska Independence What Is A Veteran? A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.' That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today who no longer understand that fact.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 04:31:51 AM » |
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The only plus side of killing big game when it's way below zero is your hands stay nice and warm inside them  We get them in the meat room as soon as possible to get the hide off before it freezes. Pete
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Keep both eyes open and make the first shot good. The growing Handi/Sportster/Pardner/Topper Family: .22 WMR, .22-250, .223, 7mm-08, .30/06 SS, .357 Max. 22 inch blk syn MC , .357 Max. 16.5 inch BC Carbine, .445 Super Mag., .45LC, .45-70, .50 Huntsman SS, .410, 20 ga.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2009, 06:12:04 AM » |
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The other side of the coin here in Texas . We have to get the meat in the cooler before it spoils.Deer season here can be any temp from in the teens to the eighties!
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2009, 08:29:51 AM » |
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I like graphite. It's the low tech dry lube. Just clean the gun, blow it out with compressed air and let it dry. Then 'puff' a little graphite in the trigger and hammer area and blow it in either with air from the compressor (carefully) or just blow it with your mouth. It can get a little cruddy if you use it over time and you end up with graphite smearing around. Light and infrequent is the way to go.
I got mine in a little tube near the locks and keys in a hardware store. The tube allows you to 'puff' it in. Once you get a tube it will be clear, I know my description doesn't make much sense if you haven't seen the way graphite powder is packaged.
It may be redundant to say this, but do be careful about lubricants and the latch on your handi. I understand it likes to be dry and it has been said that over lubing has caused Handis to open when you don't want them to. It's never happened to me, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Tim can likely shine a light on this one.
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