7.62X25 vs. 9MM penetration.

[NRAJOE]

7.62X25 on the left
9MM on the right
Which would you rather have?

[plateshooter]

I would rather have the 9mm, its easier on the targets. :lol:     Are the 9mm conversions still available for the CZ52?

[Robert]

So would most of our troops that get sent into action with the stupid 9mm.  I got rid of my 9 a long time ago.

[NRAJOE]

I would rather have the 9mm, its easier on the targets. :lol:     Are the 9mm conversions still available for the CZ52?

Yes they are but I don't know why anyonewould want one. Half the fun is shooting the 7.62X25 cartridge...9mm's are a dime a dozen! :eek:

[1911crazy]

S.Sumner & Mikey posted about this a while back they were talking about the velocity of the 7.62x25 being as fast as the 357 magnum.   While not being the same bullet weight your picture says it all??        BigBill

Cheaper Than Dirt has Sellier & Bellot ammo in 7.62x25 cheap. Hey I'm the Frugal one!!!!!!!! Shop smart buy more!!!!!! More bang for our buck too!!!

[Mikey]

Nutz - did I miss a picture???  Dang!  The guys are right, 9mms are a dime a dozen but the 7.62 is a blaster.  Make certain anyone shooting next to you on the range has ear protection on or stands a bit behind ya - them 7.62s have a'concussive' report.  Doancha jus luv it.  Mikey.

[NRAJOE]

Yes I do!  :wink:  :grin:

[Winter Hawk]

Actually, I would rather have a .45 ACP.  Seems we went through this all during/after the Mora uprising...

-Kees-

[NRAJOE]

This was a comparison on small caliber...the .45 is a great caliber, I have an arsenal refinished Ballester/Molina and love it!

Some people prefer smaller calibers.  :grin:

[1911crazy]

I just ordered  7.62x25 ammo to shoot up from CTD I haven't shot it yet but hope to soon if I can get my kid to put the rifles down and have a handgun shoot someday.                                  BigBill

[Mikey]

keesvw2002:  The Mora uprising identified the inadequacies of the 38 Colt cartridge (I believe) as a satisfactory military cartridge when they failed to stop hopped up indiginous warriors who had prepared themselves for close in bloodletting.  These guys were not about to be stopped by minor calibers, period.  The 7.62x25 is a much different story.  

Winston Churchill used a broomhandle Mauser Model 96 during his engagements in South Africa and wrote home to his mother after one engagement that he had stood 30 meters from where the enemy had massed in preparation for attack.  Now, these were, as were the Moros, indigenous warriors ready for close quarters combat with edged weapons and mentally prepared for that kind of bloodletting.  Churchill stated in his letter that he fired 10 shots, killing 9 and wounding 1, then recharged in an instant and this time his (my, he wrote) aim was better.  That says a heck of a lot more about the 7.62x25 than it does about the 38 Colt cartridge.  

I can personally attest to the effectiveness of this cartridge in Southeast Asia.  Don't get me wrong, I like my 45s, but the Tokarev and it's nasty little cartridge are nothing to shy away from.  One item on my wish list is an American made Tokarev, with better and adjustable sights, a longer slide option, and a 1911 style slide safety.  I forget who just developed a 32 caliber case based on the 380, to take a 60 gn 32 acp bullet to 1200'/sec, but that doesn't even duplicate the old 7.65 or 30 Luger, which is an ok cartridge but underpowered compared to the 7.62x25.  Seems like some designers are headed back toward the lightweight, fast moving cartridges, and I just hope they don't forget which ones came first.

Actually, many folks consider the 7.62x25 to be the first 'magnum' cartridge.  From a Tokarev that 85 grain bullet moves to 1400'/sec, and a bit faster from a CZ52, and far exceeded anything in its day, and for a long time after.  There are some excellent reloads for that cartridge and some nice soft point .308 diameter bullets in the right weight range that would make it an even better defensive round, as well as one good enough for game up to the size of coyote.  I'm trying to find a set of dies for that cartridge now.  HTH.  Mikey.

[Robert]

But it comes in one of those strange round containers.  
  Also, I just found some real nice 85 gr soft-point round-nose bullets by Sierra. All I could find before were 100 & 110 gr and they work, but these 85's should be closer to spec.  Also 90 gr. Hornady XTP's work well.

[kevin]

Mikey, the cartrige that is based on the .380 is the 32 naa, and after reading about it it sure is a fast motor scooter,

[Mikey]

kevin:  yep, that 32 NAA is sure a fast motor scooter and may well be the most effective pocket rocket cartridge to yet be deisgned for those small pocket pistols, but it is designed to take the 60 gn XTP bullet at 1200'/sec and although that moves out quickly and may well be an effective round, it simply does not compare in power to the 7.62x25mm with muzzle energies in the 500+'/lb and 357 magnum range.  Even the older 7.65 or 30 Luger cartridge with a 93 gn bullet at 1280'sec would be a better choice if there were any pocket rockets designed to handle that cartridge but for now it sure looks like the 32 NAA might be a winner.  Mikey.