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How do I break in a barrel?Huntinbull
posted November 23, 2003 06:11 PM
He suggested shooting a new rifle only after cleaning it THOROUGHLY. Then shoot once and clean using good copper solvent. Do this for the first 20 rounds. Now increase your shot strings to three rounds, cleaning between each string. Do this for 60 rounds. Now increase your shot strings to 5 shots, cleaning between each string with regular Hoppes®. Do this for 40-80 rounds depending on how dirty the barrel is getting from the 5 shot strings. If it is still fouling a lot after 30-40 shots continue cleaning after each shot string for another 30-40 rounds.
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kbisbee posted November 23, 2003 08:56 PM
His alternative method is:
You are right about going broke using that much ammo to break in a hunting rifle. Fire 10 rounds and clean between each round. Use ShooterChoice to swap the barrel then use bronze brush and wrap it with a cotton patch and apply J-B paste and short stroke it 20 to 30 times then swap the barrel with shooter choice after and follow with a dry patch and shoot one more, do this over again until 10 times. At the same time adjust your scope. Before you go hunting fire a fouling shot and check your scope setting with another shot. You don't clean anymore until you get your deer. Once you finish hunting you can clean as above and after every time you use your gun. That is all you need unless your gun gets wet in rain.
Note: J-B paste in non abrasive and made from diadamatious earth. It takes care of copper fouling in rough bores. Fred M.
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MINNESOTA DICK pointed out
posted December 27, 2003 07:21 AM
VarmitAl (varmital.com)says about barrel breakin at his web site.
NEW BARREL BREAK IN.... There is so much black magic out there about breaking in a barrel, that I am not going to suggest any procedure. I will merely tell you what I do with a new barrel. I take the brand new barrel and use J-B on it. That's right, I clean and polish it with J-B before even firing the first round through it. I put a light coat of J-B on a patch and give the barrel about 50 strokes from end to end with it. Then I clean the J-B out with a couple of patches of Shooter's Choice MC#7. I dry the bore with 3 or 4 patches until it is completely dry. I carefully clean the chamber of J-B too. That's it, the barrel is broken in and I am ready to sight in, shoot some groups, and work up an accurate load. I take the rifle to the range and shoot 3 or 4 five shot groups with Moly-coated bullets. I clean the barrel with Sweets and usually there is no copper. From then on, shooting only Moly-coated bullets, I clean the barrel when I feel guilty. If there is copper on the first cleaning, I conclude that I didn't do enough with the J-B and repeat the J-B treatment. All that these shoot-clean, shoot-clean, etc. break in processes do, in my opinion, is perform a slow, inefficient, and expensive polishing process which the J-B does better, smoother, and faster. I use a plastic coated stainless steel cleaning rod and a jag style that you wrap the patches around. I use the blue Shop Towels for patch material and I cut a roll into a number of 1-½-inch wide rolls with a sharp knife. I never use brushes in my barrels and I don't even have any. I use J-B, Shooter's Choice MC#7, and Sweets. I am sure there are other procedures that are just as good or superior, but this works very well for me. If I have a particularly bad copper fouling barrel, I use Flitz Metal Polish instead of JB.
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What are the rates of twist?Duce
posted December 28, 2003 07:09 AM
.17 HMR 1 in 9"
.22 LR 1 in 16"
.22 WMRF 1 in 16"
.204 Ruger 1 in 12"
.22 Hornet 1 n 12"
.223 1 in 12", late models are a mix of 1:9"/1:12", 2007 Marlin produced barrels are 1:9", use instructions below to determine the twist rate.
.22-250 1 in 14"
.25/06 1 in 10"
.243 1 in 10"
.270 1 in 10"
.280 1 in 10"
.308 1 in 10"
.357 Mag 1 in 18¾"
.357 Maxi 1 in 18¾"
.35 Whelen 1 in 16"
7mm-08 1 in 10"
7.62x39 1 in 9¾"
7x57 1 in 10"
7x64 1 in 10"
7mm Rem Mag 1:9.5" .30/30 1 in 10"
.30/06 1 in 10"
.300 Win Mag 1:10".38/55 1 in 18"
.44 Mag 1 in 38"
.444 Marlin 1 in 38" (original)
.444 Marlin 1:20" (2007 models)
.45/70 1 in 20"
.450 Marlin 1 in 20"
.45 Colt Carbine 1:16"
.45 Colt/410 1 in 16"
.500 S&W 1 in 18¾"
20 ga. 1 in 28"
12 ga. 1 in 35"
Current production .223 Rem barrels are being made by Marlin with a 1:9" right-hand twist, lands are .219"-.221" and groove is .2240"-.2255". Right now they still have some 1:12" Superlight barrels. (as of 7-5-2007) How to determine the rate of twist of a barrel....
It's real easy to determine what the rate of twist of a barrel is, all you need is a tight fitting jag and patch on the end of a cleaning rod. Insert the rod in the bore from either end. Push the rod into the bore until you almost reach the other end of the rifling. Wrap a flag of tape around the rod where it enters the chamber or muzzle. Withdraw the rod slowly making sure the rod can rotate freely following the twist of the rifling. When the tape flag has rotated exactly one full turn, measure from the tape to where the rod enters the bore, that is the rate of twist. One some rifles with slow twist like the 44mag which has a 1:38" twist rate, use a half turn of the rod and double the measurement, ie: 2x19"= 38".
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Sources of info on the 22 Hornet
This Austrailian site has about all the information that you will ever need to get started using the .22 Hornet. Unfortunately, the author is not listed; therefore, proper credit cannot be given.
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~bkhornet/22hornet.htm This link is no longer valid, hopefully we can restore a valid link--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
357 Magnum conversionThere were a lot of people that contributed to this thread. Regrets if I don't get everyone properly credited but this was a lllloooonnnnggg thread to edit through. Pick¶
.357 Reammers can be rented from ELK RIDGE or their other site alt Elk Ridge site
Leftoverdj: posted several times in December 2003
The .357 Max is an easy rechamber with hand power. Might be a half hour job by hand doing it for the first time. Just need a reamer, a tee handle and some cutting oil. Don't even need headspace gauges since you stop when you touch the existing rim cut. Compressed air helps, but is not absolutely necessary.
JPH45 posted December 23, 2003 09:34 PM in a related thread
The 357 Maximum, operating at 48,000 cup as compared to the 30-30 operating at 38,000cup gives the same performance without nearly the recoil of the 30-30 or in your case the 35-30. Do a search and read the thread, "357 Maximum Strikes". This is a great chambering, and using the Hornady XTP 180, is an honest 150 yard point blank range gun and will do in any whitetail you are apt to get in your sights.
I did my rechambering to 357 Maximum figuring that if I wanted more gun all I would need to do is get another reamer and rechamber the gun again. I believe you will find the the 357 Maximum to be a most satisfactory chambering. Brass is readily available from several of the online catalogue suppliers and should be into the forseeable future.
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Can I put a rifle barrel on a shotgun frame?Rifle barrels cannot be put a shotgun frame since the shotgun frame is not heat treated to handle the pressure. Since rifle frames are heat treated investment cast alloy, they are safe to use higher pressures, the lower pressure shotgun barrels don't present a hazard to the firearm and/or user as the inverse does. The larger firing pin and surrounding hole in the frame is also an issue.
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,136176.msg1098524169.html#msg1098524169Click
HERE to see the results of what might happen.
The difference between SB1 and SB2 frames...
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=80979--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources for ammo for 7 x 64 Brenneke?If you have one of the rarer 7 x 64mm Brenneke, getting ammunition can be a challenge.
Midway-USA has a lot of 7x64mm Brenneke resources such as dies and Norma brass. There is Huntingtons of RCBS fame from Oroville, CA that has Norma bulk 7x64mm brass also listed as stock #27012A. Graf & sons has Norma brass under stock #N27012.'
Ammo sources are:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00217SBA76402 GBO Sponsor
http://www.reedsammo.com/ GBO Sponsor
http://www.grafs.com/ammo/196http://natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=1&brand=ZY&prodID=ZYSBA76402--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources for choke tubes for H&R shotguns that use choke tubes?MSP Ret
posted December 28, 2003 07:10 PM
The Winchoke system of chokes = Winchester/Mossberg 500 series/Browning Invector, will fit the H&R shotguns that accept choke tubes.
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Winter Hawk sent this in (Thanks)
I was just reading the NEF/H&R FAQs, and saw the one about contacting NEF. Another phone number is (978) 632-9393. This gets you straight to customer service, IIRC.
