posting of loads on this fourm PLEASE READ

[Lloyd Smale]

From here on out as long as im moderator of this forum any  loads which i feel are heavy  posted for any gun on this fourm will be edited. If you wish to post a load you use you MUST post a loading manual by name and series and a page you got it from. There are to many beginning loaders on here that can get in serious trouble pushing guns to the limits. It only takes a small error at the level some of these loads are at to destory a gun or worse. If you wish to pass on loads it is an easy matter to email them.  This is my stand and it will be inforced and if anyone continues after being warned i will take steps to ban you. This is my stand and i dont know how Greybeard feels about it but it will be inforced strictly. There is alot of confusion right now especially with .45 colts and i myself have allready been corrected suggesting loads to someone with a ruger not knowing he had a new small framed gun. Its just to easy to make a mistake.

[Graybeard]

I have no problem with the stated policy Lloyd. I have tried hard to keep unsafe loads off these forums but I can't watch all threads on all forums to make it happen.

[Redhawk1]

I agree 100%.  

[oso45-70]

Lloyd Smale

Great idea because of the newbies that need advice should spend some money on loading manuals and not depend on the say so of persons on line. There are some that freely give out numbers not knowing how much the person knows about loading. ( A good way to get some one hurt ). A good stand Lloyd and i appluad your decision.......Joe..........

[sawfish]

Agreed!  Some of the Newbies (and some of the Oldies) would also do well to read the Loading Manuals from left to right.  Instead of vice-versa.

[Catfish]

I once found a post, not on this board, where a guy gave a load for a rifle round useing 4895 data by mis- typed and gave 4227 as the powder. For anyone who has any idea about the burn rate chart you could tell at a glance that this load would blow-up any test gun. I posted and the guy must have been watching the board because he came right back with the correction. It was an honest mistake, but it could have gotten someone hurt real bad. For that reason I recomand that that you check any loading data you get from any place other than a known safe source, ie. powder manufacture or good manual. With the improvements in powders even the older manuals have some dangerious loads in them. If your an Ackley fan you should know that mosy of his data was hot in his day and can be real dangerious today.

[Lawful Larry]

DITTO

I never did feel comfortable with giving loads out over the internet.  Like you said, too many FNG's out there to get themselves hurt.  I will give out powder and bullet manufacturers, but not specifics.

Well done sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sawfish]

I agree with Lawful Larry.  It is too cumbersome to require the moderators to check every load posted.  If one slips through, the uninformed might presume it is safe.  Perhaps the policy should be as Larry stated bullet and powder type only-no specific load.  Just MHO.

[6Shooter]

I can't understand why people would try to reload any caliber without a manuel.
My grandfather who knows so much about reloading told me a load for .45LC that he had loaded for years and was a load I had shot for years but when I started to reload the same round, I first checked the book.
 Check the book! Always!

[OLDHandgunner]

I have no problem with people posting their favorite loads.  BUT everyone should have and use updated loading manuals. I still buy a loading manual from a different company every year or so, just to keep up with new calibers, powders, bullets & loads. A couple of my favorite manuals so far is Lyman # 48,  Lyman Pistols & Revolvers  & of course my old favorite Ken Waters Pet Loads.  LOAD SAFELY!!!

[halfbreed]

Hello guys, I kind of have a differant take on some of this, I have asked for favorite loads on a couple of differant rifle cartridges. OF COURSE I checked the replies with a couple of differant manuals just to be sure they were within  safe working limits. I only have so many differant powders on hand. And I know there is someone here who has tried other loads, seating depths etc.
 John

[Lawful Larry]

Hello guys, I kind of have a differant take on some of this, I have asked for favorite loads on a couple of differant rifle cartridges. OF COURSE I checked the replies with a couple of differant manuals just to be sure they were within  safe working limits. I only have so many differant powders on hand. And I know there is someone here who has tried other loads, seating depths etc.
 John

I could tell you all my secret, favorite loads and none would propably do you any good.  The main most important factor in the reloading equation, is the gun.  No two guns will shoot alike.  So all this information is more then likely useless to you. 

I work up loads for all my guns, even if they are the same calibers.  But if you are not really worried about consistant shot placement or POA/MOA reliablility -- then just go and buy factory ammo.  This would be the easiest and less troublesome route to take.   

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

Just to add another suggestion.  Do you think it would be a good idea to require a certain minimum amount of information with load data.  Some people will list just the powder charge and bullet weight.

I would think that as a minimum for heavy loads you would need to know: Bullet style, weight, Powder type and weight, OAL, brass brand, primer brand and type, and crimp info.  I always like it when people come straight out and SAY this is a heavy load.

Even a new reloader ought to know his limits.  I didn't play with other people's heavy loads when I first started.  In fact I still don't.  Although I eventually cooked up some of my own, mainly because I just can't find published data on 200 gr. lead and Lil' Gun in .357s.

[slabsides]

Too many people use even the manuals incorrectly. They go right to the MAXIMUM and maybe a little more, banking on the assumption that the published load has a 'safety factor' built in. Nothing could be more wrong. I've been reloading cartridges for over 45 years, and I have NEVER found a max or near-max load to be as accurate as a milder one. Some of the most accurate cartridges I ever loaded were with the little Lee 'loader in a box' that used scoops. As a young, underpaid guy with three babies to feed, I couldn't afford the nice RCBS set-up I have today. And those mild loads with safe scooped charges shot as well or better than factory. In a couple of cases, MUCH better. This is the reason that manuals give a loading RANGE (I don't even think they should call it Minimum and Maximum.) Somewhere in this SAFE RANGE you will find the best accuracy for your gun. Rest assured, it will not need to wring the last xx feet per second of velocity from your bullet to do the job. It will usually be found that the optimum load is 3-5% below the safe limit. And that's the load you want. When someone asks me for loads, I'll recommend a best powder and bullet AS I HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE FOR MY GUNS. It's then up to the loader to find the right recipe for himself. You can't have someone else zero your rifle for you, and you can't have someone else find the best load for it, either. In that respect, shooting is pure 'do it yourself'.

[warrior1]

it's a good call lloyd. preventing even one accident is reason enough.

[georgeld]

Lloyd:
I'm all for this overseer policy.

I've asked for and given a bunch of loads that I've found were real good for my use and guns.

I also posted a load by mistake that was over max 2gr and wasn't aware of it until I started having
problems.  Then checked the jug lable. Sure as hell there it was!! Yikes!  No wonder they seemed hotter than normal.  aa2200.  Although my gun shoots them well, and handles good, extracts easy, etc.

After reading the above posts I shall start rethinking the info I've been and will post from now on.
I thank you all for opening my thick head to the 'possibles'.

George

[wyocarp]

I guess in practice I agree with you guys.  But on another level, I think we are dumbing down our society with all our rules of protection.  Just like the yield to pedestrian signs, I don't expect cars to stop for me.  We are raising people who aren't encouraged to think or observe.  I personally don't mind people getting ran over by vehicles.  It allows me to show my children that they can expect everyone else to look out for them, which will work some of the time, or they can look out for themselves.

I would think that most people coming on these types of forums and asking questions are people who do a little more research than the average joe.  I allow people to make mistakes instead of cuddling them.  We should give information when asked and allow for people to be individuals, otherwise let's just take all the guns away because we would be safer without them.

[dakotashooter2]

Don't have to worry about me. My memory is so bad I can't remember anything I haven't written down anyway and I don't carry a manual with me.

[sasu]

I always cross check every new load in several loading manuals. I do not trust a single loading manual because it is so easy to make a typographical error. If I see an interesting load on the 'net, I definitely cross check the data.

Sometimes there is no official load data available for a combination I need, then I extrapolate from other similar powders and other similar calibers.

I sure hope no one tries a load straight from a forum posting!

[Bigeasy]

Forums are a good place for general info - Like "a 240 grain XTP at 1350 fps is a good 44 mag deer load in a superblackhawk".  But you should ALWAYS use an up to date loading manual to find a safe load to reach the stated goal.

That way, the next time a guy tells you about a load he is using to get 1600 fps with a 300 grain SWC in his 45 LC, you can be sure you are not standing next to him at the range......