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Offline Sweet 6.5

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9.3x62 recoil
« on: February 17, 2008, 08:58:15 am »
Hi

How bad would the recoil of the 9.3x62 ( in a CZ) be, I used a 30-06 for a while
years ago, and the recoil with 220 gr was ok. I also shot a couple
of rounds with a 300 winmag (180gr) these were not from a bench
but they were also ok. Now all of this was about 10 years ago.

For the last 2 and a half years I have been using only a 6.5x55 which
I know spoiled me in the recoil department. I saw a used one the other
day and I really like the feel of this rifle but the size of that cartridge scares me!

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9.3x62 recoil
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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 09:20:56 am »
It's really quite impossible to properly compare recoil in the manner in which you are asking even tho folks offer readily to do so. It's easy to plug numbers into a software program and compute the recoil energy which is a tool to compare but what is impossible is to properly compare the real world "felt recoil" and that is really the ONLY thing that matters.

The stock design and what kinda pad or lack of it you have makes more difference really than those computer generated recoil numbers do. From a numbers stand point you'd likely have no more recoil than the .300 mag you said seemed OK and perhaps even a bit less. The CZ is a fairly heavy rifle which also helps but you'll likely want a good recoil pad added and with that if you thought the .30-06 with 220s wasn't bad then neither should the 9,3.62 be. It is after all just the '06 case opened up to take .366" bullets. Normal weights are 250 and 286 grains and velocity will run close to what the '06 does with 220s.


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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 09:30:21 am »
I took Graybeards' hint and plugged some numbers into a computer program and came up with approximately 34 pounds of recoil.    Admittedly I came back and edited this after going to my Speer #12 Manual and looking at data for the 270-grain bullet.  This is very close to the same recoil produced by the .300 Winchester Magnum.

 My current 6.5 load works out to 15-pounds of recoil.

Graybeard is correct the fit of the stock, and a good recoil pad makes a world of difference.  I am a bit recoil sensitive and the addition of a good pad has made the difference on rifles for me.

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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 01:35:26 pm »
I've never fired a 9.3x62 but about everything I've read on forums about their recoil is it's more a of a stout push than a sharp jab. Recail at the bench is what we all feel the most. Bench techniches, stock fit, and recoil tolerance all come into play. I use a PAST recoil shield that you wear over one shoulder. I have my eye relief set for hunting in cold weather so the PAST shield makes up the difference of the hunting clothes I wear during deer season.
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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2008, 01:18:33 am »
It's really quite impossible to properly compare recoil in the manner in which you are asking even tho folks offer readily to do so. It's easy to plug numbers into a software program and compute the recoil energy which is a tool to compare but what is impossible is to properly compare the real world "felt recoil" and that is really the ONLY thing that matters.

The stock design and what kinda pad or lack of it you have makes more difference really than those computer generated recoil numbers do. From a numbers stand point you'd likely have no more recoil than the .300 mag you said seemed OK and perhaps even a bit less. The CZ is a fairly heavy rifle which also helps but you'll likely want a good recoil pad added and with that if you thought the .30-06 with 220s wasn't bad then neither should the 9,3.62 be. It is after all just the '06 case opened up to take .366" bullets. Normal weights are 250 and 286 grains and velocity will run close to what the '06 does with 220s.

  Hi All,

         Sorry to have to correct you Bill but the 30-06 is more accurately described as a necked down 9.3x62 as the 9.3x62 predates the 30-06 having been introduced in 1905. In fact the 30 Springfield is actually a copy with a lengthened case of the 7mm Mauser. The longer case came about due to the poor smokless powders being used by the US as they were some way behind in their development when compared to Germany and France. Of course smokless powder was invented in France and rapidly adopted and further developed by Germany.

     Further more the 30-06 was a development of the 30-03 and was brought about by the new 7.92mm JS German cartridge introduced also in 1905 that was hte first one to use the new Spitzer bullet and an until then unheard of velocity of around 2900fps. The US smokeless powders had improved in the intevening 3 years and so the new case was shortened but it was still around 200fps behind he 7.92mm and had 4 grains less bullet weight.

      The idea behind the 9.3x62 was for use in East Africa by farmers who needed a potent rifle cartridge combination not for sport hunting but for meat hunting and protection. If it had not been for The Great War (WW1) and the fact that Germany lost it the 9.3x62 would ahve been far more common but after the war metric ammunition and componants were virtually unobtainable so the huge market share which belonged to the German products was taken over by the American and British arms industries.

     As for recoil as Greybeard pointed out the stock design has a huge effect on perceived recoil and to me the recoil of the 9.3x62 is much, much, less than the .375 H&H and onyl slightly more than 30-06. I have a 9.3x57 chambered rifle and the recoil of that light Husqvarna even with 286 grain bullets is mild. So mild infact that it surprises people when they try shooting it.

    Good luck with you choice.

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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 06:59:30 am »
I will grant you the 7x57 came first and that the '06 is really no more than a longer case opened to .308" vs .284". But not that the 9,3x62 came first as the '06 is merely a minor change of the '03 which came prior to the 9,3x62 thus you'd have to say both are children of the '03 if you wanna go that route.

Actually tho I doubt that either American round played a role in the development of the 9,3 nor did it have a role in the development of the two American .30s.


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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 07:59:17 am »
Brithunter , Bill is correct. The original .30 US government 1903 cartridge (30-03) was loaded with a 220gr round nosed bullet. The 1903 Springfield rifle came about after the war with Spain and the US troops' experience with Spain's M93 Mauser 7x57. After the Springfield rifle was adopted spitzer bullets came into use in military rifles so the 30-03 case neck was shortened for the use of 150gr bullets. Rifles already produced had their barrels removed, the barrel turned in one inch, and the chamber re-cut. That's why the M1903 Springfield rifle uses a 1906 cartridge. The US government had to pay Mauser royalties for the use of Mauser M98 design features and the stripper clips. Oddly the 30-03/30-06 cartridge was an idea copied from the 7x57 cartridge and Mauser never asked to be compensated for it.
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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 10:11:15 am »
Actually I believe that you will find that royalties were paid until the US entered The Great war all all the Mauser ideas. Mauser I think you will find already had a longer cartridge case on which to make the 9.3x62 and that was the 8x75 that was made in both rimmed for combination and break action guns and rimless for bolt actions.

Oh the original 8mm military cartridge used a 227 grain round nosed bullet of 0.318" diameter....... The Mauser brothers and especially Paul Mauser was a gifted and visionary designer and maker. John Moses Browning was of a similar ilk. The difference in their concepts is probably the result of their surroundings, America was still very wild in  alot of places whilst Germany was more tamed after all it had been occupied by civilised poeple for a lot longer. The American Indians were a primative race when compared to the Romans and some of the otehr civilisations from old Europe and the Steppes.

However back to the 9.3x62 as a sporting cartridge has a enviable reputation for performance on African plains game and as one old article I have on it pointed out that firing it in a light sporting Mauser did not loosen the fillings in ones teeth!

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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 12:55:15 pm »
Mauser filed suit and won the rest of their royalties and damages after the Great War. Business is business and war is war.  ;)
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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2008, 08:41:32 pm »
Sweet - I own a CZ550 American in a 9.3X62 and it is one great shooting gun! I stayed away from the "Bavarian" stock, going to the straight stock, because of the amount of drop the Bavarian had that increases recoil. My CZ  came with a "Decelerator" pad installed, and when I mounted a 1X4 Leupold  in Millet rings it weighed in at 8.3 pounds. (I don't recommend going much lighter.) The recoil "stats" are right at 30 ft. lb. but without the "Sharp jab" of the .300 Win Mag. It's a great cartridge that is about like a .35 Ackley in power, but shoots a larger .366 diameter bullet. You can always load it down until you get used to it, but it is by no means a "hard kicker" in the configuration you're looking at and it compliments your 6.5X55 to a "T".  Bullet weights run from 232gr. to 320gr with the most common 250gr and 286gr here in the U.S.

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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2008, 09:08:01 pm »
Hi

Thanks for all the replies.

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Re: 9.3x62 recoil
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 07:41:14 pm »
The '06 has a smaller case than the x62

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