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« on: May 16, 2006, 10:48:53 am »
For anyone interested Best of Shooting magazine has an article "Mauser vs. Mosin military rifle shootout".

They have a K98 and a M91/30.  You can get the magazine at your local Walmart if interested.


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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2006, 06:14:59 pm »
I have found just the opposite. My 98  well shoot 3 shots into a dime every time. Of course this is with reloads.



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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2006, 03:17:24 am »
Same with me, all of my 8mm's shoot better than any of my Mosins.  This is especially true when shooting mil-surplus ammo.

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2006, 06:06:30 am »
A thinking man would realize that testing just a single example of each rifle - or even a half dozen of each - would be meaningless when trying to compare rifles each of which were produced in the millions.  The condition of each rifle, where and when each was made, the ammo used, all would have larger effects on general accuracy than would rifle design.  The slick editors have struck again...   :roll:

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2006, 08:43:09 pm »
I agree, testing only one sample of each is totally meaningless.  I have 4 Mosins and 3 Mauser's and all 3 of my Mauser's will out shoot any of my Mosins.

All of my Mauser's will out shoot my Mosins when using mil-surplus ammo.  I have improved the accuracy of my Mosins with hand loading but even still my Mauser's will out shoot my Mosins when using hand loads in the Mosins and using mil-surplus ammo in the Mauser's.

No competition when using hand loads in both.  All 3 of my Mauser's shoot great with the mil-surplus ammo but all of my Mosins shoot poorly with all of the mil-surplus ammo I have tried in them.

In time I hope to get the Mosins to shoot good with hand loads but they are proving to be a lot more of a challenge than the Mauser's.  I really wasn't getting anywhere much with the Mosins until I started using the .311 diameter bullets in my reloads for the Mosins.

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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2006, 03:22:31 am »
Comparing a Mosin to a Mauser is like comparing a Casio to a Rolex.

A better comparison would have been a K31 to a K98 - Some good competition there...
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2006, 07:05:38 am »
Quote from: Victor3
A better comparison would have been a K31 to a K98 - Some good competition there...
Victor3,
How much better would a K31 shoot over a MN?
I have a Finnish M39 that will shoot 1 1/2" groups at 200 yards with S&B ammo and open sights.

My reason for asking is that I'm considering the purchase of one of these rifles to sporterize with a decent scope, trigger and synthetic stock. My plans are to reload for this rifle and use it for long range varminting, such as coyotes, etc.

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2006, 09:35:42 am »
Bowhunter57:  The article did not provide a good comparison between those two types of rifles.  The Moison was in excellent condition and the Mauser was a WWII survivor.  A better comparison would have been with a new M48A in 8mm.  Both rifles are very popular for their field use and accuracy.  

The preference would probably have to go to the Mauser for ease of sportability, including scope mounts, aftermarket triggers and accuarcy.  The Moisons are easy to work on and usually have nicer triggers than the Mausers but receiver type scope mounts don't seem to be too common.  

The Moison looks to be the less expensive but the Mauser is usally the more accurate overall with ball and especially with handloads.    

The K-31 flat outshoots the Moison and is a better quality rifle, period.  There are scope mounts available and I recall the triggers generally being nice and smooth.  I do not recall however if the K-31 prefers hotter loads but I have seen them rechambered to 308, so who knows.  

Me, I'd go with the Mauser.  JMHO.  Mikey.

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2006, 05:23:43 pm »
Posted by Bowhunter57

"How much better would a K31 shoot over a MN?"



That depends on who you talk to.  Some people claim their Mosins shoots good.  Myself, I didn't get any of my Mosins to shoot worth a crap until I started handloading for them.

Now the K31's shoot good right out of the box so to speak and improve with handloads also.  I noticed you mentioned handloading which in my opinion is a + for either rifle.

Here is a pic of the best 3 shot group from my K31 so far using my handloads.

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 01:57:32 am »
Wait, Wait, Wait here were comparing apples to donuts here.  These are two different rifles in quality for sure I think the swiss k31, finnish M39 mosin and the swede mausers are in a class by themselves. I think in a benchrest competition we may find out the three of the rifles will shoot pretty much the same there that close in accuracy.

Now with the 98k mauser and 91/30 mosin I believe from all that i have read about when most shooters do there own shoot off and compare them the 91/30 mosin shoots just a tad better over the 8mm mauser. This has been a pretty constant on going story.  Lets look at both rifles before we get into a hassle here.

 The Russian 91/30 Mosin is not exactly your top shelf quality looking manufactured rifle.  But we also have to look at the way it was manufactured during WW2 too.  These manufacturing plants were constantly on the move as the germans pushed the russians back.  I think under the pressure the russians were under they did a great job in manufacturing the mosin, well they did as good as they could.  The bottomline is I think the accuracy of the mosin is do to the longer barrel over the mauser.  Even though the action is like a cheap bolt action 22lr rifle a little crude but it works flawless like i said its not your top shelf quality but it shoots good.  Lets face it the russians aren't into making a rifle do anything more than what its designed to do meaning they get by with a bare minimum basic rifle that works thats it there's no frills its a plain jane.

 The 98k 8mm german mauser is a top quality german manufactured rifle and probably the best the germans had to offer at the time too.  Nothing can match the smoothness of the bolt too on the german 98k.  The look, the feel screams about the quality of the german manufacturing even though its not as accurate as the mosin is, it can still hold its own.

The way i look at it we have to remember too these were made for man sized targets too.  With the more accurate ones being made into sniper rifles.

Now with handloading I believe any rifle with a decent bore can be made accurate after we figure out what load works for that rifle accuracy isn't a given when reloading.  Some rifles can be finiky and some aren't.  There are a lot of variables in figuring out a load for your rifle too. We must consider bullet weight, powder burn rate for the twist of the barrel and how much powder to use too.  When there not accurate it can be a tough go i have been there and figured it out.  And yes its easy to sell it rather than accept the challange to figure it out but its getting the experience and i find it fun "now" to do too.  My very first rifle wasn't fun but i kept my cool and figured it out and failure wasn't an option I just knew it would shoot good in the end.

So whats good accuracy with a military surplus gun using surplus ammo. Lets talk about that is 2" groups at 100yds acceptable.  I think anything  2" and under is acceptable and awesome for these old gals.  While some shoot 3" groups that isn't that bad because we don't know what these rifles have been through too.  Most of the time a touch up of the crown can sure make a difference in accuracy if we have a good looking bore and its not that accurate.  Even some of the swiss rifles needed the crowns touched up too.  I have seen some little shiney rings on the some of the swiss rifles on the crowns where they have been touched up already.

Now with that said I wonder if anyone has compared all the different 8mm mausers in an accuracy contest?  I wonder which one would out shoot all the rest.  I wonder how the german 8mm,  the czech 8mm, the turk 8mm and the yugo 8mm's compare when it comes to accuracy.  If we compared all the 23" barrels together and the 29" barrels seperate so its a fair test.  I wonder if its ever been done.

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2006, 02:47:07 am »
It's obvious they didn't use my K98 for the test.  This is with my reloads.


But as you can see it shoots pretty good with the mil-surplus 70's production ammo as well.  Shot by my son-in-law.  All shots from 100 yards.


Even my Yugo 24/47's will outshoot any of my Mosins.