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MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« on: June 08, 2010, 02:21:28 pm »
Cabelas just sent out their father's day flyer, and advertise the Mosin Nagant 7.62X54R in Excellent condition for $99.99.  I really would like to have one of these old shooters could anyone please advised me of what to look at or for????????????????       I see a lot of guys saying they have a 91/44 or something like that ??  what does that stand for.  Oh the one they advertise is not the Carbine.
Is this the only cartridge that they come in or are their different cartridges also??
Please advise
Thank You  John


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Re: MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 04:15:59 pm »
The R stands for "rimmed" as in a rimmed cartridge case.  The various models are the M91/30, which is a full length rifle, and the carbines which are the M38 and the M44 which has a folding bayonet.   There is also a cut down version of the 91/30 called the 91/59.  Check out 7.62x54r.net

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Re: MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 09:35:18 pm »
Cabelas just sent out their father's day flyer, and advertise the Mosin Nagant 7.62X54R in Excellent condition for $99.99.  I really would like to have one of these old shooters could anyone please advised me of what to look at or for????????????????       I see a lot of guys saying they have a 91/44 or something like that ??  what does that stand for.  Oh the one they advertise is not the Carbine.
Is this the only cartridge that they come in or are their different cartridges also??
Please advise
Thank You  John


 I definitely agree,that website is great. Hex receivers seem to be more desired (if your not sure if one has a hex receiver or not,it doesn't,you cant miss it). You will notice that guns made during the war were alot rougher than those made before. (I imagine a portly man named "Boris" in a Russian army uniform with a fur hat with the star on it,standing in front of a giant poster of Stalin,saying loudly "MAKE MOAR GUN COMRADES!!!" One thing that people love to find are ex-snipers. If you go up to the website you will find out how to recognize one. I only have seen one once,before I knew anything about them,and I passed it up. After all,some "Bubba" drilled holes in the receiver. What a piece of junk.  Little did I know that it used to be a sniper,and that the Russian arsenal had taken the scope off,welded plugs into the scope mount holes and turned it back into an infantry rifle.

 Obviously,older tends to be better in Mosins. You will also notice that of the ones you typically see at Cabelas,some have a triangle with an arrow stamped on them,and some have a star. The triangle is Izhevsk and the star is Tula. The Tula ones tend to have better workmanship,clearly visible in the fit and finish of the parts. You will see a date stamped on the barrel,but the receiver may have been recycled from an older gun,so you often find very well made receivers on a otherwise rough looking mid war Ishevsk. There are other manufacturers and in fact,some were made by companies in the US such as Remington under contract,but most of those stayed in the US and you dont find them in a rack of 100 dollar Mosins.
 
 On thing to look for and (at least I do) avoid are the ones that have been "counter bored" On these,the rifleing at the front of the barrel was badly worn (often due to improper cleaning). To fix it ,the armorers bored out the barrel an inch or two so that there would be a nice clean sharp end to the rifling for better accuracy. I assume they did this as they didn't want to cut off the end of the barrel and take the sight off with it. Most (almost all,ive never seen one without) of the 100 dollar Mosins have dark rifleing. On some there is pitting,or damage. On others though,its just years of dirt. I look for sharp corners (as opposed to it looking like its been worn down) on the rifleing and hope that once I clean it (it can take many many hours to get one of these fully clean) that there is no damage underneath. For a hundred dollars though,so long as its in shootable shape,you cant go wrong. Just take a small single cell AAA flashlight that will fit in the rifles chamber with you when you go looking. (I allways feel uncomfortable putting my face in front of the barrel,so I at least tripple check that I can see light through,with the muzzle pointed at a light and the bolt out,you can remove the bolt by opening the action,then holding the trigger down and the bolt will slide right out) If you find one that otherwise looks good,ask them if necessary to take the wire tie off so you can get a good look at the bore.

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Re: MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 10:38:28 pm »
Counterboring is not a bad thing. It brings back the accuracy that is lost when the crown and/or rifling is damaged due to improper cleaning.
A dark bore is also not always a bad thing... like was said above... it's probably years of crud and will eventually clean up. Alot of times rifles with dark bores still shoot very well. Pitting and rust are bad things and should be avoided if at all possible. Pre war Nagants are more desirable if you can get your hands on a nice clean one. The website that was listed above is one of the premier Nagant sites on the web. Also check out www.surplusrifle.com for alot of really good info on Nagants and other military arms from around the world.



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Re: MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 07:29:47 am »
GUNBLADE, MRUSSELL AND SPANKY

THANK YOU for your provided information - This gets me started at least.

I know for $99.99 a person can't expect too much and I don't I just don't want to get the worst one in the pile, ha ha ha 

I will also check out the website's you provided.

Ok, men keep your powder dry

John

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Re: MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 08:00:15 am »
Be advised that most all the surplus ammo for the 7.62X54R is loaded with corrosive primers and you will need to clean the barrel with some soap and water to kill the salts then clean as normal. Prvi Partizan makes some pretty good ammo in this caliber with reloadable cases. Wolf "Gold" is the same Prvi made ammo but most of the time it cost more. The regular Wolf ammo has steel cases and can not or should not be reloaded. The best bet is to reload. You will need to slug the bore to see what size bullet you will need. The bores in these rifles do very in size widely. The Surplusrifle.com site will tell you how to do this. It will also teach you how to make these rifle really accurate without hacking them up. I have found that they like heavy 174 to 180 gr bullets. The most accurate load I have ever found that shoots great in all the models is this.
50 grs Accurate Arms 4350, CCI 200 primer, for rifles that need a .311 diameter bullet either the Sierra 174 gr Match King or the 180 gr SP bullet OAL 3.000. For rifles that need .312 diameter bullets the Horandy 174 RNSP OAL 2.790 and I use a Lee Factory Crimp Die on all my loads. It makes them more accurate.

I have found that most of the military surplus ammo is not all that accurate but with the above handload I have a number of rifles that I can keep 5 shots under 1 1/2 inch at 100 yards.

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Re: MOSIN NAGANT 7.62X54R $99.99
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 05:19:35 pm »
I have 38,44, and 91/30.  All three will hit pieces of clay pigeon at 100 yards with S&B factory ammo as long as I can hold the sight on the target. I am talking breaking the new pigeon and then hitting pieces until I can no longer see a piece of pigeon over the sight.

The M44 kicks a little harder, but that is probably due to the weight of it.   The current batch of 91/30s coming in seem to be in pretty good shape.  If you go to Cabelas, dont necessarily just jump on the rifle they have on display.  They will probably have 10 or 20 in the back.  See if they will let you go into their back room and pick out the one you want.   Some of them have cracks in the hand grip area of the stock.  Some will have nice bluing and poor wood where others will have replaced stock and poor bluing.   Take a flashlight or bore bright so you can check out the barrel and pick a good one. 

I have several of the military guns that I have made into hunting rifles i.e. composite stocks, triggers, scopes, etc.   Accurate as most of my $6-700 rifles and just as deadly.   Its like fixing up old cars.   Once you do one, you want to do another.

Pick a good one!!

Steve :)
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