I knew that this subject would be controversial and you have to consider the bottom line which is safety like oso45-70 stated.
My own usage traverses a lot of river bottom area that offers excellent backstop in the form of ridges and knobs not to mention wide, high banked drainage’s and levy’s.
I had toyed with the idea of using larger calibers and long range shots in the past but it is just not my cup of tea. What I really like about our sport is the calling and coaxing. I think that the ultimate experience would be to call them right on in to the tips of your boots!.
Unfortunately or fortunately there is just too many around right now and the livestock farmers want them thinned down. My future plans are to stay with calling them in close but I would really like to switch to a lighter caliber (a hornet would be great) and finding that right bullet for an entry but no exit wound.
Great consideration must be given to what ONECOYOTE has said. This fellow runs high on modesty and has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever learn. A lot of our newer members probably don’t know that he has competed with and against some of the greatest names in our sport. If I am not mistaken, I do believe that he has an application in for this years World hunt. Onecoyote is sooo hardcore to this sport that he owns & runs his own Predator hunters museum. I would love to get down there sometime and see some of those early calls and photographs and probably much more.
Same holds true for OSO45-70. While he has not been a competitor, his exploits in hunting and trapping would have done a Mountain man proud. Joe is like the real Mcoy
And a true pioneer when it comes to calling and shooting. Talked to Joe on the phone a time or two, I believe that he started with no call at all other than his mouth! I have heard him a time or two and he sounds good… Very Good.
This CATFISH fellow is a self-proclaimed rifle junkie and a very valuable member here due to his many post that obviously make good common sense. His points are valid as this hunter is quick to realize what can go wrong. Safety and terminal performance were his concerns I believe…when you live & breath this stuff like he has, you know what will work and what wont and I greatly respect his advice.
With all being said, I would still like to reiterate, or stir the pot alittle
That Hornady #2267 was billed as a hide bullet by Joyce Hornady himself. I don’t know if you can really compare it to the Military ball ammo which is probably much heavier jacketed stuff. The Hornady bullet will work as advertised on the thinner light boned canine sized game but I still stand by my statement that it will come apart when heavier resistance is met.
I will admit that they are more dangerous but the shooter should be disciplined enough to make sure of the backstop.
If we cant shoot a little 55gr pill at supersonic velocities, do we really have any business shooting a much heavier 180gr bullet say out of an 06 that will skip & whine & howl off into the distance at a velocity that is still plenty but much less likely to fragment the bullet? Again, the shooter is ultimately responsible for where the rifle is pointing.
Poor Terminal Performance: Yep, this exist just as sure as I am sitting here. You only have to shoot a Coyote with a .22lr to see this work. The .22WMR or the much newer .17HMR are only slightly better. They will kill a coyote but chances are good that it will run off and you wont be able to recover it.
The .22cal Centerfire rifle is a different story though. My .22-250 will deliver as much kinetic energy as my .50cal blkpwder rifle will (around 1,300ft lbs)
The hydrostatic shock is way up there and it wouldn’t make any difference if the bullet were made out of solid brass. The thing is going to kill very quickly Within Reasonable Calling Distances on varmint and predator size game.
To sum this all up I would say DO NOT use the fmj bullet if you are going to be shooting past 200yds with your .223 or .22-250. To do so may result in ricochet hazard and poor terminal performance. If you want to tag that yote way out there, this bullet is not for you.
If your shots are going to be at or under the 200yd mark, you can rest assured that the fmj will perform well and be very fur friendly. This yardage is hardly like the 400yd shot that your buddy made but is very doable when it comes to calling. Be wary of shooting under 100yds though as those two calibers will cause rips & holes.