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Info on remington single shot rifle????
« on: October 20, 2009, 08:11:52 pm »
A friend has traded for a remington single shot rifle,it's a .243,  the barrel is made twisted ( it looks like the twisted chrome handle bars on a old school chopper )  and the lever that breaks the barrel down extends from the trigger gaurd. ( the saftey is also located on the trigger gaurd ) .   I've seen these rifles for sale but never caught the name other than remington, but it does have "made in russia" stamped into the barrel.
       What we would like to know is just how good a fire arm is this gun?    how accurate, barrel tradable, can the trigger be worked on?       Any info would be a help,Thanx.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 09:06:54 pm »
Yes this rifle is made in Russia by Baikal. The twisted barrel you mention is not twisted but it is a pattern caused by hammer forging. A cold method of forging the barrel's outside and the inside cold forming the lands and grooves.

Depending on the experience of the forge operator barrels can either be just great and shoot very accurately, or just real bad.

Myself I have no use for anything made in Russia.

From some of the reading I have learned of trouble with the 11mm integral scope rail. There are not many good scope mounts to fit it, most of them shoot loose.

Some time ago I suggested to someone  to mill off this rail and mount a straight Weaver or H#R rail by drilling and tapping, for no trouble scope mounting and suitable for many good scope rings.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 05:55:34 am »
Ok what you have is a Spartan rifle imported and made for Remington in Russia in the Baikal region, which plant made you rifle will be told by the proof marks. My Baikal (name it was sold under here in the UK) MH18 in .222 Remington was made in the Izhevsk plant. Their mark is an Arrow inside a Shield.

The only real difference between the Spartan and my Baikal is that Remington put Walnut as wood on theirs whilst mine is a pure White Birch wood that required staining after I reshaped the wood as I did not like the style it came with.

The triggers often require a little working on but the action is quite simple really. They can be made smooth with a clean break and they seem to manage this on the Shotguns.

The rifle is a very good strongly made rifle and they often produce quite remarkable accuracy. Iw a sshootign mine with soem factory 50 Grain SP Sako ammunition and both the range owner and myself shot groups of 1/2" for 3 shots. Mine is fitted with a Leupold M8 Compact 4x scope. As yet I have found no problems witht eh small steel dovetail even when I had a larger longer scope on it. Using good rings is the answer. Mine are a set of steel Hilvers but I have used an alloy set as well but prefer the steel Hilvers.

With normal use I doubt you will wear the action out but the barrel will of course eventually burn out the lead especially with a high intensity cartridge like the 243 Win. The barrel is screwed into the breech Lump not much different to a bolt action.

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 05:48:29 pm »
Thanx for the input ya'll,  I told him some one here would know something.     The gun looks to be in great shape,nice bluing, pretty nice finish on the stock and fore arm, locks tight,   but the trigger is less than great,  feels spongy.    But I'm chompin at the bits to give it a good try'n out and see what it can do.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 08:54:28 am »
Yes the trigger could do with some work cleaning up the pull. The pull on mine was not only long but must have been over 10lbs in weight! Anyway here is what the insides look like:-





This is what it looked like when I got it:-



and now except for the rubber pad which I replaced with teh Reddish platic Baikal butt plate:-



As I said I have swopped the scope for a compact 4x Leupold M8.

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 01:15:18 pm »
I saw 4 of them new at a gun show in Oklahoma last winter all new with the boxes but that twisted looking barrel and made in Russia kind of turned me off but after reading a number of post I wish I had picked one up, you just never know.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 07:57:59 pm »
Well,,, I've traded him out of it,  a handi rifle in 243 for the Remington in 243.   He already has a handi in 243 and wanted another, I figured that as clean as the remington looks thered be no trouble gettin my money back.   Now gotta try it out over the weekend, see what I think.     Found a good bit of info on them, most is positive, some aint, we shall see.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2009, 01:18:25 am »
Well I must say you have done better out fo the deal. The Handi has never impressed me although I have never seen one in the flesh. The Contender I simply don't like and I have seen and handled them.

I suppose the Spartan and my Baikal is more like the continental single shots and old British Rook Rifles.

Now I do strongly suggest the strongest scope mounts you can find  ;) and please post photos so we can see what you got and how it does.

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 04:54:11 am »
Kwik-Site makes a .22 adapter base that converts from 3/8" dovetail to accept Weaver style rings. Only $10.99 at Cabelas cat. # XZ-71-1575. That would be the first thing that I would buy! Good luck!

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 08:45:14 am »
Hmmm more joints equals more chance of errors I just went with good quality steel rings and had no problems.

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 09:36:15 pm »
  I wound up gettin a sett of millet steel mounts and they have already moved on me,at least the back one, so I'm gonna give'm one more try and if they dont sit tite I'm gonna find somethin else, but I aint gonna spend the kind of money I did on the millets.
   But had it sighted in and could shoot a  inch and a half group at 100 yds off the top of the truck,  I'm gonna make a box (vise) and see what it'll really do, I just wanted to get it close the other day so to get an idea of what it could do, at this point it looks pretty good, but definately needs trigger work.(lots of travel)   
   The guns still real tite and stiff to open up,about the only complaint that I dont think I can fix is the extractor,I'd rather have a ejector,  I like'm to spit the spent case out instead of diggin it out myself.
 We'll see how it goes this weekend.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 03:36:31 am »
Sorry but I am not surprised on the millets as I have a set that, well just say I have put them ona rifle that I am selling  ;), as they don't stay where their put. I am sorry to say that the millet angle lock are just junk. May I suggest you try the B-Square- Lynx rings for your Spartan  ;).

Hmmm pity about the extractor, they offer an ejector on the shotguns but not the rifles it seems.

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 03:07:01 pm »
I have the same rifle 243 cal. all I can say after playing with it for a year and it almost became a stake in the garden I finally got it two shoot
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a380/lonewolf5347/243-30-06001.jpg
I did a lot of action work and it breaks at 2 1/2lbs some creep but not much
I did find it favors sierra 85 grain HPBT with IMR 3031
the load here is with IMR4350 43.0 grains
I just readjusted a few things and now my load is 40.9 grains of IMR 4350 with 95 grains noslers COAL 2.740

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 04:08:39 pm »
Yep I'd say you got it too shoot  ;D

The .243 Win has that reputation for being finiky  ::) one reason I steered away from it and in a short while I will have 3 of them  ??? Oh well  ;).

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 04:58:52 pm »
base mount :amother nightmare
I find one on e bay I think ran 10.00 bucks:the catch I redrilled one hole to the dove slot and retaped all the holes (I think) 6/48
I also countersunk a hole on the groove on the action the ring mount had a set screw hole,not the screw goes threw and into the action and all i can say it will not move at all.
I have 4 screws on the side rail and one on top countersunk

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2009, 04:08:40 am »
Hmmmm well on mine the dovetail on the barrel is smooth on top with no slots or holes for arrestor studs etc. I have set the rear mount right up against the action face like so:-







so I can see easily if it moves but so far there has been no movement  ;D. Hmm looking at it I don't think it can move to the rear as the bottom of the rear ring butts up against the top of the standing ramp on the action top.

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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2009, 08:35:03 pm »
  I sold the spartan today, a guy offered me more than I had in it so I let him have it with mixed feelings, would have liked to tinker with it some more but figured let it go while he wanted it, besides he let me keep my mounts and scope. 
  your rite about those mounts, they aint very good, at least on somthing that kicks any way, I'm gonna put them on a .22, surley they'll stay put on it. 
   The reason I sold it (besides monatary) was I wanted it to hunt coyotes and deer, but the extractor was more than I wanted to deal with, you had to pick and digg around to get the spent case out, I like a ejecter that spits'm out, all the way into orbit, if ya have to dig'm out your wastin time if ya need a follow up shot.   
   I'd like to thank you gents for all your input and helpfull info,  it's awful good of yuns. 
       ( oh yea, I found one yesterday that was a.410/.22  over under,  hhhmmmm)
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2009, 06:30:21 pm »
Fox Fire
You did the right thing to get rid of that Russian junk. Just look at the workmanship on the pictures above. Remington should be ashamed to sell it to the American shooters.

BTW scope rings and mounts do not move back by recoil, but rather foreward. So butting them against the breech is not doing squat.
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Re: Info on remington single shot rifle????
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2009, 07:33:25 pm »
Fox Fire
You did the right thing to get rid of that Russian junk. Just look at the workmanship on the pictures above. Remington should be ashamed to sell it to the American shooters.

BTW scope rings and mounts do not move back by recoil, but rather foreward. So butting them against the breech is not doing squat.

On the contary butting them against the actions rib means that they are always in the same place should and when I take them off then replace them  ;)

As for Remington well they set the standards they are willing to pay for then they mark it up to sell to you Americans  :D and Remington should be ashamed at the way they have wrecked a once fine company by producing such shoddy work such as some of the rifles that roll off the Line and Rems own plant in the US. In fact my local dealer has not stopped taking new Remingtons due to the poor quality of the last ones he recieved and had to take back after selling them. One a synthetic stocked heavy barreled rifle in .223 could not shoot any factory ammo they tried through it into a group of less that 3" at 60 yards.

When returned to the importers the shop was told that it was all within Remingtons acceptance standards  :o after the third one he packed all the rest up and shipped them back all but one a rubbishy 710 or 770 that got missed and sits in the conrner of a rack gathering dust where it will probably stay until they get fed up counting it at stocktaking time and ship it off to auction to get shot of it. In the US a buddy of mine brought two new Rems a couple of years ago and has neither now. In fact both were returned to Remington under warrenty and both times Remington said they met with their acceptance standards. The Model 7 have a stock that you could of surfed on the ripples in the wood and it fit where it touched. An awful inletting job and shot awfully, the other a 700 of some decription shot patterns not groups so both went down the road and he has vowed no more Remingtons. A vow he broke as he picked up one in auction cheap then turned it over to  "Butch" who stripped it and blueprinted it and then sleeved it fitted a Broughton barrel and chambered it in 6.5 x 284 all set up in a hand layed up stock. There ain't much of the Remington left and what is has had to be totally re-machined and the rifle now shoots very well  ;) as it should after the wizard has worked on it and fitted a superior barrel. He would have just brought an action but buying the rifle and scrapping most of it worked out cheaper.

Now I do wish the importers of the Baikals would specify much better wood and why they cannot come with good triggers is beyond me as the single barreled shotguns from the same plant do have good triggers  ??? so I am assuming it's the importers cutting costs. The Russians will deliver just what is ordered at the price agreed. None of the three sinlge barrel shotguns I have have poor trigers and my Baikal O/U model 27E (circa 1988) has a sweet single selective trigger mind you all are at least 15 years old so perhaps things quality wise have dropped?

One thing I just discovered is that although we have known my MH18 is unusual being chambered in .222 Remington it seems it might not be an official import  ??? as I can find no British proofs on it which means the dealer who sold it to me committed an offence and could be fined 2000 for selling a gun with no valid proof marks. All my other russian made guns have British proofs on them. I will have to make enquiries to check if this requirement has changed or not.