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Offline Stuart C.

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Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« on: September 30, 2010, 07:25:59 AM »
Hi,
I'm not too thrilled with the rear sight on my Renegade.

If I could find a scope mount, I'd probably scope it.

But failing that, does anyone have any creative ideas for a nice rear sight that uses the two screw holes. Don't really want to cut a dovetail into it.

I've even fooled around with an XS Site systems rear peep mounted forward up there where the factory rear was installed. Results were so so.

Any ideas?

Thanks!


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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 08:41:04 AM »
I had my traditional gun drilled and tapped for a WGRS peep, worked great with a Firesight up front, with no aperture, worked like a ghost ring, Williams makes a ghost ring for the WGRS also, and the Twilight aperture works great too. A call to Williams will get you the right combination of sights to work on the TC, they also make a receiver sight for it.

The Lyman 57SML is another option, it mounts on the tang, one addition hole needs to be drilled and tapped.

Tim

http://www.williamsgunsight.com/

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=696612

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http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/sights/pdf/LyC_Sight_57.pdf

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 08:47:31 AM »
The TC tang mounted hunter peep sight works great for me.


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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 11:17:47 AM »
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The Lyman 57SML is another option, it mounts on the tang, one addition hole needs to be drilled and tapped.

Just FYI;  the 57sml won't fit on a Renegade without removing some wood from the side of the stock, tried, it will fit the Hawkin but the Ren is wider  ???

 Stuart; What is it you don't like about the factory sight? Cause it is a "Target" style sight,, and what are ya kinda looking for??

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 12:09:19 PM »
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Just FYI;  the 57sml won't fit on a Renegade without removing some wood from the side of the stock, tried, it will fit the Hawkin but the Ren is wider  ???
I removed metal from the sight itself on mine.
You could also try this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=847617
Williams aslo makes a FP Hawken reciever sight that will work on the Renegade.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 12:10:32 PM »
The TC tang mounted hunter peep sight works great for me.



My friend had the same sight on his Hawken and he was very happy with it.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 12:58:31 PM »
Stuart; What is it you don't like about the factory sight? Cause it is a "Target" style sight,, and what are ya kinda looking for??

With my eyes, it becomes a task of settling a fuzzy front site into a fuzzier notch of a rear site. It also seems to block out everything underneath. :-\ 

I like the idea of a peep.  The barrel alread has ONE hole right at the breach end. 

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 04:43:11 PM »
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The Lyman 57SML is another option, it mounts on the tang, one addition hole needs to be drilled and tapped.

Just FYI;  the 57sml won't fit on a Renegade without removing some wood from the side of the stock, tried, it will fit the Hawkin but the Ren is wider  ???

 

If a person reads the Lyman instructions I posted, it states exactly that for rifles other than Lyman and the TC Hawken.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 04:18:39 PM »
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 08:15:36 PM »
Have you checked Track of the Wolf (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/index.aspx?as=1)?  They have "heap plenty" sights of various configurations.  You should be able to find something there.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2010, 10:37:21 AM »
I used the rear sight from a Remington 788.  You may have to have one hole drilled and taped though.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 12:33:47 PM »
Didn't TC make a flip up tang sight for it ?
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 07:03:54 AM »
Didn't TC make a flip up tang sight for it ?

At one time, years ago, T/C did make a short range, and a mid-range, vernier sight for the Hawken.
If you find one today you will likely pay an arm and a leg for it, but many feel they are worth it for the versitility
I have had a couple over the years. (Tim may remember some of the following pictures.)
My prefereence of the two is the short range vernier, which is also cheaper of the two vernier sights.
Killed a lot of Rocks, a few sticks, and numerous Stumps with it. Regular sights was set up for 75yds, the raised vernier was then set at about 175yds.which was really stretching it.



Like many lesser quality vernier sights, it is raised & lowered, then held in the upright position by a very small detent ball, pressed into place by an equally small coil spring, which present a less than 100% stable staff....seems that tightening the base screws would always drift the windage...however, in all fairness, much of this could have been 'operator error'.
 
In the down position, a heavy charge with heavy recoil can raise the vernier up....not all the way, not far enough to lock in the upright, but somewhere around half-way. Which is not all that bad, just something of a pain keeping your eye on it all the time to make sure it doesn't get bumped, or damaged.

I would say it is an "okay" sight, just not in the category of MVA, Soule, or Pedersoli...still yet, it's great for Rocks and such.




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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 07:57:20 AM »
Nice, Russ!!  ;)

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 08:48:45 PM »
According to the TC web site, they make a tang sight for the rifle.  It is a peep sight and you can also put an apeture sight on the
front if you wish.  You can also mate it with a high vis front sight as well.  I have a hawken .45 and bought the rear tang sight and
can't say enough good things about it.
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2010, 05:43:56 AM »
I have a Lyman Deerstalker 50 cal percussion carbine.  The Thompson Center Peep Sight works perfectly with the existing tang srews, but I am not sure if it would line up with the tang screws on your gun.  I like this sight alot, but I replaced the aperture (the factory hole was way too small for my factory front sight) with a Dixie Gun Works "Hunting Aperture".  This sight aperture is adjustable from a ghost ring opening to a target version and can be purchased threaded for both the TC and Lyman designed peep sights.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2010, 03:11:35 PM »
I am currently using a Lyman peep sight setup on mine, but I seem to recall at one point in time many years ago having a Contender scope mount and a 3X scope on it. I think the hole spacing for the factory rear sight is the same as for the contender scope mount rail, or else they made a mount that worked on their barrels with the 3X contender scope... darn... too long ago... Dang! ... can't remember how I did it, but I know I did.

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2015, 08:58:55 AM »
Who makes this site and does it mount without any drilling or tapping of tang?
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 08:42:59 PM »
Pedersoli on a T/C. Drilling and tapping required.
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2015, 04:53:44 PM »
Sorry that I have been absent for awhile. Have two Renegades, one has the T/C tang sight (Tang has to be drilled for second hole). I use it in club shoots and is very good, T/C no longer makes it and can be found on E-Bay sometimes. My other one is for hunting and it wears a peep sight made by Skinner sights. Check their web page, it mounts in the rear sight holes  and comes with screws and adjustment hex wrench. I like it also, have checked it at 25yds and 50yds. Good company to do business with. The sight is available in brass or black, will work with regular front sight. Hope this isn't too late to help.
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2015, 04:27:56 PM »
Hi,
I'm not too thrilled with the rear sight on my Renegade.

If I could find a scope mount, I'd probably scope it.

But failing that, does anyone have any creative ideas for a nice rear sight that uses the two screw holes. Don't really want to cut a dovetail into it.

I've even fooled around with an XS Site systems rear peep mounted forward up there where the factory rear was installed. Results were so so.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

I agree, the rear sights pipes on any of the T/Cs is less than adequate their light pipes(both front & rear) are far too small for dark timber! DO YOU HEAR ME REMINGTON!!!
Steve
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2015, 07:10:16 PM »
Pedersoli on a T/C. Drilling and tapping required.

Great sight, I would like to hear a bit more when you get the time.

Russ...

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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2015, 07:32:24 PM »
That Pedersoli vernier sight was a left-over from a replica 45-70 rolling block. Drilled and tapped the T/C tang, used the original front sight.
The detent centered too far rearward so I cut a new one. I also replaced the pivot screw with a thumb-wheel to lock it firmly.
Unfortunately I was never able to shoot it. It was a Hawken with a one-inch 40cal, 38 inchs long. HEAVY!!

 



please pardon the hijack
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Re: Rear sight ideas? For a TC Hawken/Renegade.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2015, 10:21:53 AM »
Personally, I don't see the pictures as a "hijack", but rather as pure eye-candy.

When it comes to shooting, I personally feel that anything we can do, as far as sights, to improve our abilities in the field should be considered, as long as it's legal and it does in fact improve "hitability".

I can see you are a fan of the "Peep", in several forms, and so am I.
Although I am over 75years old it seems my eyesight has, thankfully, held up pretty good, plus I have a strong preference for the highly underrated peep sight in its many forms.

As I write this I am waiting on a new Lyman 57SML with target knobs. I have owned a few in the past and they did the job quite well.
Never took a game animal with one, but I have killed a bunch of paper, hundreds of rocks, and several pumpkins using this same sight.
I expect to use this sight on a "total Renegade makeover", in our late season...a rifle that I have four different barrels for in ..... .50 fast twist, .54, .56 smooth bore, and .58 Big Boar from T/C....all 1" barrels and yep, they are all pretty heavy.

Thanks for sharing!

Respectfully, Russ...