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Hey guys, new to your forum, I already had two in 357 and 17HMR. At a gun show Saturday I picked up a like new 223. I took it to the range today to sight it in and shot 20 rounds or so of 62 grain green tips. The majority keyholed at 35 yards. My first thought was bad rifling so I bought some 55 grain FMJ and they shot fine. It is a 22” barrel with ejector and I assume it’s a 1:12 twist that doesn’t like heavier bullets. Any thoughts, thanks
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Larger, longer bullets are often found printing keyholes where a shorter, lighter bullet performs well. Can happen in a lot of calibers.


Either the rifling twist is not fast enough to stabilize them, or they need to be pushed faster/harder. Increase the RPM's.


Myself I prefer the slower twist rifling and cast bullets, slowed down to 13-1600 fps.


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Larger, longer bullets are often found printing keyholes where a shorter, lighter bullet performs well. Can happen in a lot of calibers.


Either the rifling twist is not fast enough to stabilize them, or they need to be pushed faster/harder. Increase the RPM's.


Myself I prefer the slower twist rifling and cast bullets, slowed down to 13-1600 fps.


Your on the right track.
Yup, Darrell its the length of the bullet not its weight.

1:12 is gonna pretty much limit you to the length of a 55G even then some of those may not do great. Also there are some slightly heavier built to work with the slower twist of the older barrels.

I picked up a Savage 24P a couple months back and find exactly the same deal... My preferred 62G don't even hit the paper... all the time. But 40/50/53G shoot near MOA. I tried some 63G that are supposed to work and found, oblong holes, meaning that aint stabilizing well enough.

I don't know the twists and dates they changed and where offered. But IINM they are 1:9 on the last produced rifles.

Try some 55 or lighter. Hornady offers a 50G Vmax that a shooter in some rifles. Or hand load them if your able.

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Thanks guys, I’ve never ran into that before, my ARs are 7,8 and 9 twist. I’m glad it likes 55g, I have plenty of that. With guns you learn something new all the time.
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Just purchased a 223 barrel myself, 22" 1:12 twist. Cut the barrel to 18". Defiantly 55 g for this one.
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Mine likes 40gr. Nosler lead free
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I have been trying 40's and 50's and even some of Landowners Bator lead! They are all really shooting well!





This one only has a red dot, but I'm real happy with the accuracy!



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I had no problem getting the bator cast bullet to shoot well in my .223. Worked up a couple of lower power red dot loads, one with gas check and one without. Both were good enough, accurate enough, quiet enough that I pretty much retired my old Ruger 10/22. At the time .22lr was costing a dime ea, if you could find them.



I could easily reload .223 for less than that, with better performance and more punch so it was a simple decision for me.


3-5 grains of Red Dot below a 55 gr cast bullet makes a very nice quiet shooting load. All would easily do minute of squirrel head at least as far as .22lr would reach.

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