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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-13-2018, 03:58 PM
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if they'd use bulldozers and logging equipment the way they
should be used, there wouldn't be a need for any firefighting
equipment or risking the lives of firefighters

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if they'd use bulldozers and logging equipment the way they
should be used, there wouldn't be a need for any firefighting
equipment or risking the lives of firefighters
Fire breaks, Texas knows how to use them well.
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OK, let's wave the steak in front of the lion.
What's an HGV weapon?

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"He also emphasised that the amphibian was designed purposely for firefighting and is capable of scooping up to 12 tonnes of water in 20 seconds"

I wonder what it is like to fly that type of mission? Scooping up that muc without getting pulled in, etc.
And with the engines on the top, which is a great idea to keep them safe.
Anyone here have this experience???

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Russia isn't snow bound year round. Not even in the Urals except for the higher elevations.
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Sounds like its two private concerns buying the Russian amphibian jet planes which they will lease out.
As far as I can tell the Americans make nothing like these planes; or any large amphibious planes for that matter.
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When they retired the old military amphibians they lost aircraft far better suited to fire fighting than what they have now.
Russians have had a true amphibian available for a long time but twits in Washington would rather let you burn than do the intelligent thing and buy them.
True amphibians have the advantage they can land on and refill from rivers and lakes.
Dousing with water does a better job of stopping hot spots than fire retardant.

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OK, let's wave the steak in front of the lion.
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Hypersonic Glide Vehicle.
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"He also emphasised that the amphibian was designed purposely for firefighting and is capable of scooping up to 12 tonnes of water in 20 seconds" I wonder what it is like to fly that type of mission? Scooping up that muc without getting pulled in, etc.
And with the engines on the top, which is a great idea to keep them safe.
Anyone here have this experience???

The airborne fire fighting mission is extremely hazardous. Discounting floating debris, taking on water is one of the safer aspects. The delivery portion combines all the things a pilot wants to avoid. Heavenly laden aircraft, operating low and slow, restricted visibility, other aircraft, up drafts, the pressure for a good drop and the big one, cumulus granite.

At times, the Russians build good hardware. No direct experience other than supporting the 2nd MAW (Marine Air Wing) and a love for aviation.
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