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I will take a shot and say mosquito netting or screens.

Exactly! CR nailed it and Conan had been hinting at it too. Had it not been for window and door screens, mosquitoes who still rule the swamp, would have made dwelling in Florida inhabitable!
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im with conan. No matter where you go rent for a year and see if its where you want to stay. Experience the actual school systems, crime rate and even how welcome your made. Keep in mind too that some places with cheaper housing are cheaper because wage levels for the same job are much lower. so if your not retired you need to keep that in mind. One thing you have going for you is your comparing to southern CA and youd probably see a big improvement just crossing the border into neighboring states. Heck youd probably see a big difference even if you moved to northern CA. the state you pick will probably have a smaller effect on quality of life then the location in that state. I allways wanted to live out west and never pulled the plug. Montana was high on my list until I went out and visited my sister who lives in great falls. You couldn't pay me to live in that city. Crack capitol of the world. Now drive a 100 miles in any direction and its like night and day. Sister likes it there but then shes a drug consoler and there sure is job security there.

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Originally Posted by Argent11 View Post
Tornado Alley.
Not really, that is further west by me. But the do get them from time to time.

NE Oklahoma is where I would choose such as the Tahlequah or Grove areas.

Your house prices will shock you compared to California.

I am in OKC area which is cheap but in all honesty, kind of ugly. I used to live out eastern OK and wish I was still there. The big benefit to central Oklahoma is hunting is much better than out east. Turkey and deer everywhere.

Good luck with your search.


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For gosh sakes do not come to Missouri....we have zillions of ticks and seed ticks and we don't like people.... especially outsiders...stay away before you and your type ruin it for us.....
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You may want to check out central Pennsylvania..Williamsport or Harrisburg are. Then too western Pennsylvania..Anywhere but Pittsburg area.


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I would suggest carefully checking on the taxes you will have to pay when you check out a place. No one ever seems to mention this and there can be a huge difference in states and even counties in those states.
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Some places are nice and the cost of living is affordable. But let's look at the long term as the Liberal infection is spreading.NM was once a red state but look at it now. It's politically divided between north and south. With our neighbouring states slowly turning blue as well.

Texas you have got to hang on. You go, we all go.

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Thanks again for all the thoughtful posts.

I agree with folks that say the best plan is to go live there for a while... but probably won't be able to take the time to do that. It's going to have to be a "measure twice, cut once" operation and hope for the best. (Been looking for a long time to be honest.)

Kentucky sounds interesting. Lived in Carmel, Indiana one summer to do an IT project... drove through Ky and also went down to the River Boat at Rising Sun and played some 7 card stud. (Was based out of Vegas at the time and was tinkering with poker in those days... almost 20 years ago now.) I recall cresting a hill somewhere in Indiana and down in a valley was a lake with sailboats in it... no idea where I was... been trying to find that lake on maps for ages now. Never have quite known where it was.

That said, KY has some nice looking places. The terrain seems to change quite a bit at the Ohio river between KY and IN.

But it was summer... no idea how I'd handle winters up there, or not. I'm tropical by nature and birth (from Fla. originally. Would be looking at SoCal and Hawaii if I was rich, LOL!... summer home in the woods. Extended family had a cabin in the Poconos... )

When I was younger... had zero plans for leaving North Palm Beach County... wanted a home near the beach or on the Intracoastal waterway. (Have wanted to build a sailboat, forever... would have been great to have dock and just drop it in the water on weekends... but life, career, job markets and my own lack of a plan to get wealthy enough to do that ruined that idea, LOL! Have friends that did make it to that life... definitely envious of them.)

I'm also debating AZ, NM, OR, and WA with myself. I like the west a lot. But again... been spoiled by SoCal weather. Having lived in Tucson and Vegas... also spoiled by that weather... no snow.

Actually Tucson... Catalina Foothills was nice when I lived there. But Tucson has a landfill at the airport... that's a fail for me in any city. Don't want to have to drive into landfill crud if I have to fly somewhere... don't want things flown in going through same zone either.

Unfortunately that's a headache in many, many cities... seems the city planners like to put airports and landfills next to each other. It's terrible planning IMHO. Cali is one of the worst for this.... go to google maps and drill down on "Puente Hills Landfill"... It's right in the middle of suburbia, let alone an airport... many, many locations like this in Cali... bazillion dollar homes abutted to landfills... unbelievable to me that such planning occurs... and that folks that can afford those homes... accept being next to a fill.

Another "dream" scenario I've always thought about is having a spot with enough land, far from the road where the garbage trucks run (seeing a pattern, LOL!)... to grow apples, oranges, nut trees and such. The idea of trees that produce edibles intrigues me. Having a cupboard stocked with those floats my boat for some reason.

I don't generally drink, but I find the idea of a vineyard intriguing too. But probably never in this life. I'll be lucky to keep a roof over my head into my elder years given the offshoring etc. in my career field.

In any event, keep the ideas coming, I'm all ears. And I see others debating same issue are following the thread.

Everyone's thoughts much appreciated.
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Quote: I'm also debating AZ, NM, OR, and WA with myself.

Just make sure you are willing to agree with the politics of these locations. That is a big deal to me but may not be for you.


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I didn't see where OP stated his occupation, so that may make a difference.

NH has one of the country's most gun-friendly environments. NH also has one of the country's lowest unemployment rates. Almost no restrictions on anything you want to own. No sales or income tax, either! That means not only do you not have to pay those taxes, they aren't funding more and more bureaucrats to govern your every move. Liberal SOBs from the cities keep moving here, so a gun-friendly person like you would be quite welcome. The Free State Project chose NH as the most freedom-friendly state. Not every part of the state is this open, but NH is a place where you can have a 50 BMG range in your back yard.

Only drawback is that the winters can be long and harsh, especially for someone from California. OTOH, we don't have tornadoes, hurricanes are extremely rare, no earthquakes, no wildfires. The snow, ice, and cold may get old, but at least your house will likely still be there when you come home every day.

Here's a description of this part of NH that I wrote about 10 years ago:
The "Upper Valley", as this area is called, is the upper Connecticut River valley of the border towns of New Hampshire and Vermont. It's borders are rather vague, depending on who is describing it, but it generally runs from Bradford, VT/Orford, NH in the north, to Brattleboro, VT/Keene, NH in the south, and a few towns to the east and west of the river, centered around Lebanon/Claremont, NH and White River Junction/Windsor, VT. The area is also sometimes called the Twin State Valley, and the Windsor, VT to Springfield, VT area (the birthplace of the machine tool industry) is often called the Precision Valley.

The New Hampshire government has broken the state up into several tourist regions, such as "Seacoast" and "Lakes". This area is called the "Dartmouth-Lake Sunapee Region".

I'm an Upper Valley (Plainfield) native, dismayed at the flood, especially since the early 70s, of newcomers from the cities, with their City ways, City values, City attitudes, City politics, and City expectations. NH used to be a solid conservative Republican state (and so did Vermont, which has become even more liberalized than NH, with a flood of New Yorkers and the like). Now, New Hampshire has not only turned into a "Purple State" ,it's so bad no one even bothered to try to run as a Republican in the last couple elections for Cornish/Plainfield/Grantham State Representative. Sad, sad situation. Plainfield is worse than Cornish (which is why I moved back to Cornish, not Plainfield), and Grantham is even worse.

Did you know that, in the 1936 election, the only states to not vote for FDR were Vermont & Maine? That's how conservative northern New England was up into the 1950s, until the flatlanders started pouring in. Now, Vermont is one of the most "blue" states in the country, and NH is heading that way more every year.

Several years ago, the NH State Legislature finally succumbed to outside pressure and whining liberals, and changed our Civil Rights Day to Martin Luther King Day. We no longer have a holiday for George Washington's birthday or Abraham Lincoln's birthday or any other individual's birthday, but we now appease the blacks and the fawning liberals, who are so eager to demonstrate their "progressive, enlightened thinking", by creating a Martin Luther King holiday. MLK didn't do it alone; he had lots of help from both blacks and whites, including people who died in the struggle. For the MLK holiday dispute, NH certainly wasn't the "racist state", and wasn't even just the usual "obstinate state"; it was the only "correct state". But the liberal newcomers killed that. For 2007, NH has even passed a gay marriage bill, which our liberal Democrat Governor is eager to sign. The legislature also passed two pro-Second Amendment bills (just before the Democrats took over the NH Legislature), which the governor was eager to veto. Our new liberal Democrat Congressman is a New York Jew, just like Vermont's Bernie Sanders. For 2008, thanks in part to Bush's colossal blunders, the wretched ultra-liberal Jeanne Shaheen is now our US Senator. It's all enough to make me vomit.

The only benefit to the flood of flatlander liberals is that we finally got smoking banned in restaurants in NH. It's about time! We might even get a can/bottle deposit law to cut down on all the littering. I'm quite leery of the newcomers beginning attacks on our Second Amendment rights, though. Self-infatuated, ultra-liberal State Senator Peter Burling tried it March, 2007, although he got shot down big time.

I've also been known to say "There IS something to said for flatlanders". They "get it" on conservation and modernization matters more than the locals, and they are more open to change and improvements. The locals don't want to change ANYTHING and the flatlanders want to change EVERYTHING. There must be a reasonable middle ground.

I find it especially ironic that the liberals wail (and liberals are constantly wailing about something) about the Free State Project and how terrible and "unfair" it is, but even if every one of the Free State people actually moves here, it will be a drop in the bucket compared to the ongoing flood of liberals from the cities. The Free State Project goal is to get 20,000 libertarian-minded people to move to New Hampshire. But the Upper Valley alone has increased in population by probably that much in the last decade or two; and the increase has been mostly city liberals.

Southern NH, especially southeastern NH, is even worse; it's become nothing more than an extension of ultra-liberal Massachussetts (think fruitcakes like Ted Kennedy & John Kerry, extremist anti-gun politics, gay marriage, massive bureaucracy, a permit required to do ANYTHING, and "the only state to vote for McGovern"). When I was growing up here, the word "Massachusetts" in a sentence was usually followed by either "bastids" or "aholes". When I was a boy, I thought "Massachussettsbastards" was a word. "Massholes" is another common term in NH. Now, everything south of Concord might as well be MA, NY, CT, NJ or some other equally awful place, as people flood in from those places and try to recreate NH in the image of the nasty craphole they just left. It's just like how the people of Oregon a decade or two ago, and now Nevada, refer to the "Californication" of their state by the flood of Californians pouring into their state to liberalize and corrupt it. People in rural areas don't like city people, with their warped city values, moving into their nice country area and then setting out to "citify" it.
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