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post #1 of 64 (permalink) Old 09-15-2019, 08:16 PM Thread Starter
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UAW is about to find out that their services are no longer needed. Automation just replaced them. It should have been obvious at the Chevy plants, but they didn't see the significance of it. They may get some concessions to keep a few thousand employed temporarily, but for the most part, they are done.
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If the workers really want a substantial in take home pay they could simply ditch the union and put the union dues in their pockets.

Apparently they want higher wages and more affordable healthcare. I'm guessing they're already the highest paid auto workers, and they have to pay 4% (what a terrible burden!!) of their health insurance cost!

The last figure I heard was somewhere around 70-80% of GM vehicles are now built in foreign countries, so it wouldn't be hard to imagine GM moving even more production offshore. When you combine that with increasing automation it's not hard to imagine that BOTH remaining GM auto workers in the U.S. could end up with a nice pay raise!!
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The story is one of continuing decline, and the UAW is just milking the situation for as much as they can get. For higher pay scale uaw union workers (not the $15 per hour temporary workers), total compensation including benefits is about $70 per hour, while comparable non union Toyota workers are getting $50.

GM continues to close plants, with five closing this year. The much publicized Cruze that was promoted during the bailout as the future of GM cars ends production this year, as does impala, volt, Buick LaCrosse, and two Cadillac models. Volt ended production about a year ago. That leaves almost nothing but trucks, SUVs, and crossovers.

During the 1970s GM made about 50% of cars sold in US. Now it's about 17%. For several years, sales of automotive robots have been increasing 30 to 40% annually.

Some effects? Flint Michigan used to be vehicle town. Since GM abandoned it, it's been little more than a toxic waste dump that's only in the news because people can't drink the water there.

I can't understand why any young person would want to go to work for a UAW shop.
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Any predictions on how long the strike will last? The 2007 strike lasted from six hours to two days, depending on manufacturer. And the union lost a lot in terms of benefits.
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Okay, I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but I wonder this;

How come Toyota is making and selling as many corolla an camay's as they can get off the line, and Honda is selling as many civics and accords as they can make, and they are making a good profit on them.

Why are the American car companies always in trouble and can't deal with the big three from Japan?

I can't believe that chevy or Ford can't make a nice reliable car that would be competitive to the corolla and civic, and cost the same or less since it will be a U.S. made car and NOT an import.

Nation wide the corolla/camry and the civic/accord are some of the most popular selling cars, yet GM and Ford are totally abandoning the market rather than compete.

I don't get it.

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I don't know, but one interesting statistic is that light trucks and SUVs account for about 2/3 of US car sales, and Ford and Chevy make light trucks and SUVs. Last year total sales were about 17 million and non-light truck sales (i.e., cars) were 5 million of that 17 million.

The thing I don't get is what kind of bailout the "big three" are going to need the next time fuel prices increase significantly.
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The South will rise again , little did they know it would involve automobile manufacturing .
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Good riddance, let's hope the union dissolves completely.

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The statistic citing 2/3 of US sales are SUV's is, I think, a bit misleading. For most of us when we hear "light trucks and SUV's" we're thinking pickups and Yukons, Suburbans, Exhibitions, etc.

But I suspect that 2/3 figure includes ALL SUV's, which includes those vehicles that are really nothing more than what used to be called station wagons! If they're including RAV4's, Ford Escapes, and various others of that type then the figures are skewed. People are driving boxy looking cars and calling them SUV's!
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The statistic citing 2/3 of US sales are SUV's is, I think, a bit misleading. For most of us when we hear "light trucks and SUV's" we're thinking pickups and Yukons, Suburbans, Exhibitions, etc.

But I suspect that 2/3 figure includes ALL SUV's, which includes those vehicles that are really nothing more than what used to be called station wagons! If they're including RAV4's, Ford Escapes, and various others of that type then the figures are skewed. People are driving boxy looking cars and calling them SUV's!
Righto! The two thirds figure is for vehicles classified as light trucks, and that may include the now heavily marketed and popular crossovers like rav4. I don't know, but it probably does.
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