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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trans...achel-mckinnon

This is a serious topic intended to encourage thought and discussion about a social issue that should bother anyone who competes in sports where men and women compete in different classes due to inherent differences between men and women.

Examples of women's sports being exploited by competitors who bulk up on steroids, falsify their gender, and now claim transgender status is nothing new. But the transgender thing bugs me because it openly discriminates against the people that the sport was created for: women. Cis-gendered women to be more trendy and precise. I.e., women who were female at birth.

Rachel McKinnon, who doesn't look like a woman and wasn't born female, and is six feet tall and weighs 200 pounds is one object of controversy. Why is "she" able to compete in women's sports? Is she cheating?

She's not cheating. She meets the qualifications as written in the rules of the sport, and she thus competes legally in her sports.

The rules are written to be inclusive, and there is much language in the rules of the different racing organizations about testosterone levels, treatments that a trans competitor must take before being eligible to compete, and so on. The rules put a significant burden on trans competitors to prevent casual participation by men in women's sports.

Here's the problem: The rule books are wrong. By codifying the definition of an eligible competitor in terms of acceptable transgender treatments, the rules explicitly and clearly discriminate against women.

I agree that a five foot five inch cis woman that takes ten years to develop top professional racing skills should feel cheated, and is being cheated. The rules cheat the women. McKinnon was able to develop equivalent skills in only a couple of years of training.

The bottom line is that the rules try to define what a woman is for the purpose of competition, and they got the rules wrong. And the racing bodies aren't admitting they got it wrong.

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Unintended consequences, petard hoisting, reaping whatís been sown, etc.


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Unintended consequences, petard hoisting, reaping whatís been sown, etc.


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And a kind of blindness too. The racing organizations say that it's an intractable problem. They fail to see what they've done. I'd really like my daughter, or anyone's daughter by birth, be able to earn first place in serious competition.

Martina Navratilova got into a lot of trouble because of her "transphobic" comments, which were phrased about the same as my original post here.
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Women in womenís sports. Men in menís sports period. If women want to compete against men they should sign a waiver...
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Yup. What do you propose to do about this?

Women's sports are being made a mockery of. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to be publicly labeled as anti-trans or whatever.

The only ones who can stand up and do something are the (real) women. They need to protest and refuse to compete against men.

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Yup. What do you propose to do about this?

Women's sports are being made a mockery of. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to be publicly labeled as anti-trans or whatever.

The only ones who can stand up and do something are the (real) women. They need to protest and refuse to compete against men.


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The solution is simple - women could simply refuse to compete until "fake" women are banned.

This is a good example of the real object of political correctness, which is to make people afraid to speak out against real injustice.
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