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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 03-28-2020, 09:34 AM Thread Starter
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"According to an estimate by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were approximately 45 million cases of the flu in the United States during the 2017-2018 influenza season, resulting in an estimated 810,000 flu-associated hospitalizations and an estimated 61,000 flu-associated deaths.Feb 26, 2020."



In comparison this current coronovirus "pandemic" numbers are as of 10:18 PM EST yesterday as reported by the CDC are:


101,242 cases in the US with 1588 deaths.


It's strange how the country handled the flu situation without a nation wide lock down, no crying and hand wringing over lack of hospital facilities, ventilators, masks, or other supplies yet total panic reigns today. I'll leave each to draw their own conclusions.
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Interesting to note in last flu season there was 810,000 hospitalized; but now with CV crisis there's not enough beds an equipment to meet panicdemic crisis needs.....🤔
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I've posted the same comparisons, along with the dreaded, then, H1N1 numbers and nobody seems to care. This is just self inflicted hysteria over a virus that while deadly, has not become the pandemic that every one of the experts seem to want. Once this is over, I want to see how much of this social distancing, hand cleanliness and preparedness will continue.

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Last year's flu patients must have taken their hospital beds home with them.

And how about the "acute" shortage of ordinary masks. Didn't hospital personnel wear any protective equipment when treating the 810,000 flu patients last year?
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Comparing Covid-19 to the flu is like comparing apples to taxicabs. This is far deadlier, and to the extent people play this down, it just makes things exponentially worse for them and everybody else. The statistics that some people quote compare flu after it has run its course to Covid-19 that is just beginning to get really, really bad. The death toll will soon be doubling and doubling and doubling etc etc instead of just increasing. If you are over 70 they may not give you a ventilator. Listen to what the real experts say.
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Okay, who are the "real experts"? If you listen to 10 "experts" you get 10 different sets of numbers. At this point nobody KNOWS, and everyone has a theory.

I'd say the flu and Covid make for a good comparison. Both are a virus, both are spread in like ways, and both have similar (notice I said similar and not exactly the same!) symptoms, and both cause mild symptoms in some people and very severe symptoms in other people.

The biggest differences between the two are that we're accustomed to the flu making it's rounds every year, and with the covid virus the media is doing it's utmost to instill panic in the general public.
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" Okay, who are the "real experts"? If you listen to 10 "experts" you get 10 different sets of numbers."

^^^ That there^^^

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Comparing Covid-19 to the flu is like comparing apples to taxicabs. This is far deadlier, and to the extent people play this down, it just makes things exponentially worse for them and everybody else. The statistics that some people quote compare flu after it has run its course to Covid-19 that is just beginning to get really, really bad. The death toll will soon be doubling and doubling and doubling etc etc instead of just increasing. If you are over 70 they may not give you a ventilator. Listen to what the real experts say.
From what PROVEN statistic did you define this.
One of the new broadcasters on TV today dared say that of all the cases in Minn. over 200 have recovered and relieased.
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it has crept.

This site from a month ago tells as known at that time age related death percentage but the babbling heads on TV want SO badly for people to believe that it is as deadly for the young as the old which is total BS.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...er-risk-2020-2

another more recent
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...harts-us-china

and another for the paranoid out there
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/...ate-estimates/

Chinese Virus
A fifth person has died from COVID-19 in Minnesota, state health officials announced Saturday.

Meanwhile the number of confirmed cases in the state increased to 441, up from 398 the day before.
Authorities said 220 people who had COVID-19 have recovered and no longer need to be isolated.

Flu
Updated: March 05, 2020 03:39 PM
Another 28 people have died from flu-related illnesses, according to the latest flu activity report from the Minnesota Department of Health (MDH).
While the deaths were confirmed in the past week, the spike in the number of deaths happened a few weeks ago, according to the report, with at least 10 confirmed flu deaths in each of the past the past three weeks.

A total of 95 people have died from flu-related illnesses this season in Minnesota, including two children. That matches the total from all of last flu season, with one more pediatric death this season as well. However, the number is still well below the 2016-17 and 2017-18 flu seasons, when 273 and 440 total deaths were reported, respectively.


Except for the babbling heads on TV compared to the flu, Chinese Virus is cheap headlines.
Ignorance is not bliss this time.

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How about a quick review of what the experts said?

First a few days ago: Experts said do not take Ibuprofen or aspirin if you have COVID, it will make the symptoms much worse and may kill you. No reason for healthy people to wear masks because it won't protect you.

Today: Experts say there's no evidence taking ibuprofen or aspirin when you have COVID will do any harm. Face masks DO offer protection when worn by healthy people.

One thing all the experts do agree on is "Wash your hands". My mother must have been an expert because she said those same words a lot when I was a little kid! How many years of schooling did these expert doctors have - and the best advice they can give me is "Wash your hands"?!!
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Comparing Covid-19 to the flu is like comparing apples to taxicabs. This is far deadlier, and to the extent people play this down, it just makes things exponentially worse for them and everybody else. The statistics that some people quote compare flu after it has run its course to Covid-19 that is just beginning to get really, really bad. The death toll will soon be doubling and doubling and doubling etc etc instead of just increasing. If you are over 70 they may not give you a ventilator. Listen to what the real experts say.

And you know this how? Look at the known numbers and there is little difference in the two at this time. Basically there is sort of a treatment for the flu if caught in time and it may or my not work and nothing yet for c-virus. Look at the common cold. How long has it been around and there is no cure for it to this day and not even a vaccine either. I would love to listen to a "real" expert about the c-virus. The trouble is there are none. This is a new virus and there hasn't been time to study it long enough to become expert in what it can and can't do or if there is a way to combat it.



My point was that with the number of flu cases, hospitalizations, and deaths there was no panic like today with far lesser numbers of cases and deaths. Go wring your hands, cry wolf, and contribute to the hysteria all you want. I'm not joining in.
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