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A friend of mine bought a clean as a pin older pre cross bolt safety JM 1894 Marlin in 44 mag. He bought it because I advised him that it would be a great woods gun for Iowa whitetails. It already had a scope mounted and since my friend is younger and has great vision he didn't want a scope mounted. I told him to bring it over and I would remove the scope and reinstall the rear sight for him. The screws would not budge.....even with enough heat applied to free up Loc-tite products. Then I got looking real close around the screws and the bottoms of the base and it looked as though something had oozed out around the screws and the base and then been wiped off.

I had my friend call the original owner and ask him about it. The original owner wanted it rock solid so he JB Welded everything in place and applied the same to the threads as one would Loc-tite. He sanded the bottom of the base and the top of the receiver so that it would adhere better.....and it did.

This would have been a nice fact to relinquish prior to money changing hands! However the guy said it was a done deal and we were stuck with it.

I spent most of the evening getting that base off of that gun. I used my peanut burner torch to get the screws hot enough to soften the JB Weld so that they would turn out of the threads. Then I hung the gun from my garage rafters by a couple of straps. One on the barrel and one on the tang at the wrist. It was hanging with the top of the rifle down. I had an old ring clamped to the front most slot in the base and 50lb weight hanging from that ring. I started in with my torch heating just the aluminum base and not letting the flame flow over onto the gun. Slowly but surely the JB started letting go. The combination of the heat and the weight were pealing that base off like a banana peal. By heating the aluminum base it was causing the JB to release from the base but was still all over the top of the receiver. The removed base looks like a corn curl.Tonight I will take the gun to my buddies house and use his top mill to clean off the rest of the JB Weld and then will polish the top of the receiver and reblue it. I will use a bottom tap and clean up the thread holes and put plugs in them.

The moral of the story....it's ok to kick anyone in the nuts that uses JB Weld on bases and threads!
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just me- i probably wouldn't on a lever marlin, but if i had
a rifle that i knew for a fact that the base wasn't coming off
for any reason, i wouldn't hesitate to use the strongest adhesive
i could find including JB. the concept of a rock solid mounting
is sound, but not on something you don't intend to keep until death.
i mostly use red loctite on my bases and rings.
i have an identical 1894 44 that will get a scope and base as
soon as i can afford a quality one. it'll get red loctite most likely

as far as re-selling something, i'd agree. no permanent alterations
and for sure no hidden nothing. very unethical.

i never understood these folks who make semi-permanent alterations
to something (anything) then turn right around and try to sell it.

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The kid bought the gun for $500 and I gave him $200 for the Leupold VXIII 1-4X scope. The kid came out pretty good and I had a need for the scope so I guess I shouldn't complain.....other than the grass wont get mowed until Saturday. I would make the kid wait but I remember back when I was his age. I got pretty antsy when I had something standing in the way of me shooting a new to me gun! This kid has the same thing going so for that I can bend my priorities!

Yup, Red Loc-Tite for me too!
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i bought this one back before the sacred holy JM's came
to be so treasured and overcharged for.
i intended to keep it and use it, so i put a williams peep
on it and a camp .45 orange front.
the laws have all been altered here for the sake of the
trophy hunters, so you pretty much have to study the
rack of any buck you intend to pop and where i'm at
that means a scope to count points and check spread.
no snap shots or running shots even if you're fully
capable of making one.

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Mounting a base in that manner might (I say might!) make sense on a real tack driver, but on that rifle it's totally unnecessary. Obviously the previous owner had been reading too many gun magazines and spending too much time on the internet "educating" himself.

Nothing wrong in taking a few extra reasonable precautions if mounting a scope on a really hard kicker, but on 90% or more of the rifles out there just doing it properly will prevent any future problems.
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I thought red loctite was the permanent one.
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You’re right Mule. I think the other guys were thinking permanent when mentioning red. I must be an outlier with blocks and mounts. Always use blue loctite.

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You’re right Mule. I think the other guys were thinking permanent when mentioning red. I must be an outlier with blocks and mounts. Always use blue loctite.

Blue is overkill. It's made for use on bolts of 1/4" diameter and up. Purple is for small screws.
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A friend of mine bought a clean as a pin older pre cross bolt safety JM 1894 Marlin in 44 mag. He bought it because I advised him that it would be a great woods gun for Iowa whitetails. It already had a scope mounted and since my friend is younger and has great vision he didn't want a scope mounted. I told him to bring it over and I would remove the scope and reinstall the rear sight for him. The screws would not budge.....even with enough heat applied to free up Loc-tite products. Then I got looking real close around the screws and the bottoms of the base and it looked as though something had oozed out around the screws and the base and then been wiped off.

I had my friend call the original owner and ask him about it. The original owner wanted it rock solid so he JB Welded everything in place and applied the same to the threads as one would Loc-tite. He sanded the bottom of the base and the top of the receiver so that it would adhere better.....and it did.

This would have been a nice fact to relinquish prior to money changing hands! However the guy said it was a done deal and we were stuck with it.

I spent most of the evening getting that base off of that gun. I used my peanut burner torch to get the screws hot enough to soften the JB Weld so that they would turn out of the threads. Then I hung the gun from my garage rafters by a couple of straps. One on the barrel and one on the tang at the wrist. It was hanging with the top of the rifle down. I had an old ring clamped to the front most slot in the base and 50lb weight hanging from that ring. I started in with my torch heating just the aluminum base and not letting the flame flow over onto the gun. Slowly but surely the JB started letting go. The combination of the heat and the weight were pealing that base off like a banana peal. By heating the aluminum base it was causing the JB to release from the base but was still all over the top of the receiver. The removed base looks like a corn curl.Tonight I will take the gun to my buddies house and use his top mill to clean off the rest of the JB Weld and then will polish the top of the receiver and reblue it. I will use a bottom tap and clean up the thread holes and put plugs in them.

The moral of the story....it's ok to kick anyone in the nuts that uses JB Weld on bases and threads!



yeah, once for each screw...
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Blue is overkill. It's made for use on bolts of 1/4" diameter and up. Purple is for small screws.
Overkill? Not really. It’s medium strength and disassembles okay. Purple is low strength. Overkill is JB Weld. 😀

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