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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-01-2018, 08:22 PM Thread Starter
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Default Hard trigger pull on a .357/20 ga

Got my new (to me) 24V today. What a beautiful gun. However the trigger pull must be around 15 pounds. When I got my .223/20 ga it was like that and I took it to a local shotgun smith. He lightened it but then it didn't always fire. Then he charged me to fix that and made the trigger pull heavyer again. Anyone know how to fix the problem? I don't want to go back to him again. Below is a link to the picture on Gun Broker (hope it works).
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Im no trigger man for sure. But may put a little polishing compound applied to the sear working surface and dry firing the gun, with snap caps, would help. Should smoth up the bearing surface. Perhaps a spring set from wolf would reduce the weight of the pull.

Id save the orgional springs if I went the wolf spring rout just in case.

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Yeah, polishing is about the best way to lighten the pull.

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The link worked - it looks to be in really nice condition. I've always thought the .357/20ga would be a really useful chambering.

If the polishing and/or springs don't help enough I think the next step would be to find a different gunsmith. No way you should have to pay a 'smith to fix his mistakes!
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Gene,

I've had two 24's, both had heavy triggers. My current project gun had a 8+ lb trigger when I brought it home. If you take the stock off this makes the receiver easy to clean and dry lube the trigger/ sear area. My trigger pull dropped down to 7 lb with liquid graphite spray. Not a huge difference but I think its ok. At least there's no creep. See attached photo:
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Ok, here's the way I figured out how to take the trigger pull down to 4.5 lb:

The trigger itself is what catches a notch in the hammer cam. When the hammer is pulled back the upper part of the trigger arm catches a notch in the cam. When the trigger is pulled it simply slides out of the notch. The trigger edge that catches the notch is square and a little rough. This is what makes the trigger pull hard to slide off the notch.

In the photos below you can see the trigger is removed with a small punch to remove a pin. It pushes out in one direction. There is a small trigger return spring in the back of the trigger shoe which will fall out when the pin is free. The trigger then slides out.

I then filed the front edge surface smooth and added a slight bevel to the top edge that engages the hammer notch. Then I polished the surface on my bench wheel and put it back together to try. A slave pin is needed to hold the hammer return spring in line and push it through the hole as the trigger pin slides through. I made the slave pin from an 8d finish nail.

I went slow, reassembled and retried with my trigger pull gage. No change. I then took it back apart, was more aggressive with the bevel and polishing, reassembled and retried the trigger pull. Now 4.5 lb. Feels very light to me. No need to go lighter.

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Thanks. That sounds much like the instructions I found on a 24 V site. What is the bevel for? That's the only difference I see in your instructions and theirs.
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The bevel gets rid of the sharp edge that drags across the hammer notch and lightens the trigger pull force.

The trick is to go slow, make the bevel very small, then reassemble and retry until you feel the difference. It doesnt take very much.

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Thanks, gene
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most of these older shotgun actions have massive, over powered trigger and hammer springs, making it necessary to to remove coils of spring to get trigger pull down, perhaps even replacing the spring with something lighter. figuring out where enough and too much is, that can get dicey, possibly leading to a fail to fire issue. balancing one of these actions can be difficult!
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