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Politico is reporting that Pres Trump is asking why the US should keep bearing the burden of keeping the Strait of Hormuz open.

Good question. Along the thinking of several of us here at GBO. It would de fang the Iranians when it comes to their threat to close the strait. Of course the NeoCons will go nuts.

Can’t get the link to work. The following is from Politico.

“President Donald Trump suggested Monday that the American military may step back from securing the Strait of Hormuz for oil shipments and other international commerce, as the economically critical waterway has become the site of heightened tensions between the U.S. and Iran.
“China gets 91% of its Oil from the Straight, Japan 62%, & many other countries likewise. So why are we protecting the shipping lanes for other countries (many years) for zero compensation,” Trump wrote on Twitter.
“All of these countries should be protecting their own ships on what has always been … a dangerous journey,” Trump continued. “We don’t even need to be there in that the U.S. has just become (by far) the largest producer of Energy anywhere in the world!”

The president added: “The U.S. request for Iran is very simple - No Nuclear Weapons and No Further Sponsoring of Terror!”

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The Strait is a fun place to work. Unfortunately if we are not there the Chinese will surely step in. We have been in the since the end of WW2 no one cared until 1979. Nothing like being on a fast ship following a slow Tanker.
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That Trump guy, what’s he doing??
Trying too use common sense








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pull back and let them fight it out with iran we got enought fracking and shale oil here to take care of our needs
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We still import quite a bit of oil even while we're exporting oil. Shifting to only domestic production to meet our needs would hike the price of gasoline, diesel, heating oil etc. considerably. There's a major bottleneck in the Permian Basin(West Texas) while pipelines are being built to handle shipping crude to the Gulf Coast for refining. In the meantime producers in the Permian are paying a premium for transporting oil by pipeline and rail to get their crude oil to market. There are literally thousands of wells that have been drilled that have not been fracked waiting waiting waiting on the transport problem to be fixed and that has affected drilling as well.


That's just one side of the issue, and doesn't address the issue of ceding the middle east over to the the Chinese and others who could put a stranglehold on our European allies for their energy needs. Germany has already bowed to the Russians with their promise to supply natural gas to Germany which Trump castigated them over.



There's a lot more at stake here globally and like it or not the US stepped up after WWII and decided that enough was enough and we were tired of of all of the BS. There's a ton of history behind this and like it or not we're there in the thick of it and will be until countries like Russia and China are dealt with or their form of government is changed enough that they are no longer a threat to the world.

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There’s only one country with whom we should keep our commitment to protect: ours.
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There’s only one country with whom we should keep our commitment to protect: ours.
Agreed. We are presently under attack from both a foreign and domestic threat on our soil...
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Complex question..complex answer..

No, we should not be the security guard for the whole world. But then as we pull back China moves in. If China moves in, they will may well assert hegemony over all the entire mideast.

I think that this is exactly what the president is suggesting..that he may just let China gain hegemony over the entire area.

So, why is he doing this? Simply because he wants to shake up the European powers, since they are the ones who need Arab oil.

Forcing them to take care of their own business, is a typically Trumpian act !.

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of our involvement there.

if we have paid any attention to history at all, we should bear in mind that hitler and napoleon both suffered massive defeats due to outrunning their own supply sources.

our fleet(s) and troops are far superior to either of them but they still need to be kept in supplies to be effective and to survive.

simply supplying ammo to feed vulcan systems, tomahawks, missiles, fuel etc is overwhelming considering how fast they are consumed.

a conflict there could become very nasty very quickly...

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