In spite of all the accusations from those who want war with Iran, it is simply not proven Iran had much or anything to do with the Saudi refinery attack. In fact the attack might have been Stuxnet. Interesting to note attack came right after Bolton was canned.
Iran has successfully separated from the global oil market into a Chinese and Indian market sector. Actually Saudi's probably benefit most from rising oil prices.
Since Iran is not a pushover I doubt the Saudis have the nerve and whereforall to mount an attack in Iran. But their proxies might try.
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"In spite of all the accusations from those who want war with Iran, it is simply not proven Iran had much or anything to do with the Saudi refinery attack."
Sorry TM7, I guess I credited you too early. (and I do agree with you)
The Abqaiq attacks should not — could not — have come as a surprise. Since the Saudis led an Arab coalition into war against the Houthi rebels in Yemen four years ago, retaliatory strikes have grown in frequency and sophistication.
The Houthis may have started the war as a ragtag militia, but they have been receiving training and assistance from Iran and its other proxies — Hezbollah, most notably — as well as progressively deadlier weapons, including drones and cruise missiles. The Saudi-led coalition, meanwhile, has not only failed to dislodge the Houthis from Sana’a, but also has been unable to impose a blockade on arms supplies to the rebels.
With Iranian assistance, the Houthi attacks have gone from being random to specifically targeted, and especially against Saudi infrastructure, like airports and oil installations, reaching deeper into Saudi territory. The Saudis have only occasionally been able to intercept Houthi missiles. The rebels have made no secret of their desire to keep inflicting economic pain on their sworn enemies to the north
Now the wisdom of our president becomes clear. WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT !!
This problem is a problem for those who are buying Mideastern oil. Moreover, it is time for the UN to show that it is worth at least a little something.
The principles involved should realize that we do not want to repeat the mistakes made for the last 18 years.
We have paid far too much in lives and limbs..say nothing of the trillion$$ wasted, trying to teach freedom to a bunch of tribes, who want nothing to do with it !
A raise in petroleum would be a far easier price to pay . We cannot even GIVE freedom away, to people who don't in any way, want it !
I held off commenting alot on this event until I could get more info. There are several factors in play.
First understand that the Saudi Sunni vs Iran Shite rivalry is a war much like the European 30 Years War which killed millions; and with Israel being a 3rd party provocateur.
Secondly Trump is about to sign a mutual defense pact with Israel which would literally put US troops in the region to defend 'occupied territory', a foreign policy blunder. That means Trump's Neocon Conversion is complete and total, and likely Bolton's canning was show only.
Then we have Saudi's wanting to buy top Russian s300 and s400 missile hardware. But that would mean they would be able to 'see' stealthy US and Israeli attack aircraft and missiles. So the caboosh was put on that with the US signing on to protect Saudi assest, now embarrassed with alleged refinery attack.
Now when we examine MSM propaganda news photo evidence of the refinery attack which is in support of the official narrative, we actually see minimum damage with fires out immediately. So best I can tell 4 identical tanks were hit and were identically damaged, which is impossible. Best I can tell the smallest Iranian warhead delivered by air is ard 260lbs of mil explosive which would have completely destroyed and set ablaze these tanks. Perhaps Iranian commandos snuck in there at night and put limpet mines on same spot of each tank, haha. 😄
Finally since the neocons, global socialists, and pentagon war party still think the world is their unipolar playground (which it is not- -its now multipolar), they dangerously overlook the high probability that an all out war on Iran would catalyze a first strike nuclear blitz of the USA from Russia. Need I explain why.?
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Yes, I'd like to know why Russia would risk total annihilation from our retaliatory strike. Because, as I'm sure you know, we have enough nukes to wipe out any country that would dare launch one against us, and that is just the ones out to sea, As to Iran doing something like this, I have no doubt. They blatantly supplied the insurgents in Iraq sophisticated IEDs that killed many of our troops out there. They have been supporting Hezbollah for years, and now the Houthi rebels, so I doubt they have any compunction in actually launching their own strike.
You also alluded to the fact that the MSM is supporting the Trump administration's narrative, that in itself is laughable.
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Houthis are Shite fighting US backed Saudi Sunni genociders. Lebanese Hizboolah, Assad forcese, and Iranian shites are the other players against US and Israeli backed Sunni extremists. But Houthis are crude uneducated tribalists unable to stage the kind of attack MSM propaganda and the Trump administration tells us happened _ _ which was to say the largest refinery on the planet had the largest missile and drone devastating attack ever under the noses of US protectors_ _ except the fires were out the next day and there's a few identical pin pricks in a few tanks and all is ok; when everyone knows Iran has the capability to totally flatten both refineries.
Something thing Rotten in Dennmark, and Bolton passed the cabbage (to Pompeo).
Meanwhile Russia has a defense pact with Iran and they are not about to allow the global socialists that run the US
and American mindthink attack and set up camp in Iran. Especially since they think the US is socialism crazed and the rising of Baal again leaving them to think a first strike nuclear blitz of North America is best for Earth.
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While the Saudi refinery 'attack' occurred its interesting to note the following developments:
_ one of Italy's largest refineries had an explosion and major fire
_ one of Mexico's largest refineries had an explosion and major fire
_ a mysterious explosion rocked the far easrern Siberian depository/lab for the world's most dangerous diseases; one of only 2 in the world
_ Russia deploys 12,000 troops to protect their oil infrastructure
_ Russia announces soon to be deployed Poseidon torpedo-drone >> up to 200 megaton, 10,000km range, 1000meter depth, 100kmh.
_ in view of cheaply produced Russian, Venezuelan and Iranian high grade petroleum 28 US oil companies declare bankruptcy with world in over priced oil glut
_ meanwhile Trump replaces Bolton with superhawk nutter Charles Kupperman, known for advocating a first strike survivor nuke attack on Russia!!!!!!
The Saudi’s seem to have found a lot of Iranian / Houthi cruise missile parts. The arrows are pointing to the external turbojet engine. Quds-1 type according to the experts.
Omega, didn’t mean to step on your post. Didn’t see it.
The Saudi’s seem to have found a lot of Iranian / Houthi cruise missile parts. The arrows are pointing to the external turbojet engine. Quds-1 type according to the experts.
Omega. The drone in the front in your picture is obviously different then a Quds-1. Okay, that’s why the Saudi briefer was talking about a delta wing drone.
As TM7 noted, the holes in the damaged tanks all seemed to point in the same direction. This seems to be consistent with a missile attack......and with either failed warheads or no warheads. If there had been successful warhead detonation those tanks would have been peeled open. Perhaps warhead space was used for extra fuel or diminished weight to extend cruise missile range. Relied on the missiles as just ballistic projectiles rather than explosive projectiles. Hmmmm.
The identical holes on tanks also might be from somebody climbing up the tanks and placing devices. The tanks are easily repaired.
Iran has the capability to totally flatten those refineries. What's the sense in staging a half arse harassment attack and still come under the crosshairs of the War Party?
Among the collection of parts on the table pics is a fuselage with a number_ _ MC20***** Since when does the Islamic Republic put Anglo markings on its hardware? I remember the Bush Jr admin use to show supplies from Iran sent to Iracq--like mortar rounds with line after line of Anglo notations on them.....
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O-mega....
Yep, reckon so. Makes it easier for the coalition to identify the hardware 😄, and for those purchasing. But usually the weaponry also has Persian script and an Iranian flag plastered on.
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Attack on Saudi oil facility, deep state FF/psy-op. Why? To skyrocket oil prices and cause the recession here in the states that they can't seem to get any other way. Short of assasination, that's the only way they can oust trump. Plus trying to get us into a war to use as cover for the collapse . Now, as to Yosemite Sam Bolton and his replacement. Think of Bolton as a tool, in this case a bull whip. Because of Bolton's reputation Trump could crack him above the heads of certain players in order to keep them nervous, and as long as he did not let Bolton get ahold.of the handle himself everything was fine. So, at this point either the people trump used Bolton to make nervous no longer need to be kept nervous, or over time Bolton lost his effectiveness and so needs to be replaced.
That and main competition to the US and Sunni states oilogopy is none other than Russia, Venezuela, and Iran_ _ 3 producers which can cheaply out produce anybody, and with highest grade sweet crude, too. Israel is Saudi Sunni ally and prays for complete obliteration of Iran daily
Note, Turkey's Erdogan has claimed US has shipped thousands of trucks weaponry, including a hundred thousand mortar rounds, to Sunni extremists anti-Assad forces in the Levant, i.e. ISIS. Notice radical fundamentalists ISIS never attacks Israel_ _ just Shite or secular mooselimbs.
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After checking on some of the parts on the display table, it is certain the engine is JT100 turbojet manufactured by NATO member Czech Republic rocket producer PBS. How does Iran get these engines from NATO member?
The MC79050 code on display does not track to any Iranian weaponry that I could locate. But instead conforms to a Joint Electronics Type Designation System (JETDS). With 'M' designating a ground and/or mobile weapon; and 'C' designating with electronic jamming capabilities. And as produced by Counter-electronics High-power Advanced Microwave Project (CHAMP).
After checking on some of the parts on the display table, it is certain the engine is JT100 turbojet manufactured by NATO member Czech Republic rocket producer PBS. How does Iran get these engines from NATO member?
The MC79050 code on display does not track to any Iranian weaponry that I could locate. But instead conforms to a Joint Electronics Type Designation System (JETDS). With 'M' designating a ground and/or mobile weapon; and 'C' designating with electronic jamming capabilities. And as produced by Counter-electronics High-power Advanced Microwave Project (CHAMP). .TM7
I didn’t miss your question. That engine is available on the open market. Pretty easy to reverse engineer as well. It’s a low tech Turbo Jet, mounted like a V1 with a huge radar signature and not even a Turbo Fan that would give greater range and less fuel consumption.
So do these debris look like a Quds-1 or Boeing’s latest, most top secret design?
BTY. Crude from Venezuela is not light sweet, but much heavier and more difficult to process.
In any case we're ready to do our master's bidding!
"Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!"
PBS of Czech Republic also has offices in the USA. What's the use of sanctions if we can't keep proprietary drone engines out of the hands of arch enemy Iran?
From the scrap on the table I cannot tell if its QUDS type or not. But interesting to note large long pieces of junk in tact after crashing into refinery tanks or whatever, detonating and incinerated.
Btw, aren't some of the PBS engines used in our LCMM craft?
So what did Iran have to gain from a very light attack on Saudi's assets? To demonstrate Patriot, Droneshield, and all the defense systems can be by-passed? Dunno, and dunno if Iran is much behind the attack (unless it was a payback for something Saudis did).
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Some of the drones and missiles ran out of gas and crashed in the desert. As to Iran, Allah made them do it, well, not entirely but I'm sure it may be in there. No, more likely the sanctions are working and they need a bad guy to bring their people together instead of rebelling against the administration. Why else support terrorists, and keep threatening Israel, or blow up oil tankers?
And dont forget, they were caught prepping some of those drones and missiles out in the desert by satellite surveillance. It's just that our guys didn't figure they were targeting the oil tanks until it was too late.
I see it like this. Iran is always war mongering talk against Israel. But Saudi Arabia probably doesn't like Israel all that much either but they are sane enough not to trash talk about it and they behave themselves. I hope the Saudis win any battle with Iran. Iran is plumb crazy about any issue. The Saudis are fairly reasonable.
Prince MBS has stated that Israel is entitled to their nation which Israel now holds. Iran promises to remove Israel from the map. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Israel, Israel is more powerful than the Islam neighbors and any idiot nation in the region wanting to destroy Israel is threatening a mega war worldwide in scope.
Saudi Arabia is a very oppressive monarchy theocracy but they are not insane and dangerous to the whole world like the rulers of Iran. Therefore in self defense the U.S. sells military equipment to the Saudis. To not do so might be very dangerous to America.
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