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How is this going to play out? At this time crude oil up 11%. Where will it go if we bomb Iranian oil facilities?
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In spite of all the accusations from those who want war with Iran, it is simply not proven Iran had much or anything to do with the Saudi refinery attack. In fact the attack might have been Stuxnet. Interesting to note attack came right after Bolton was canned.

Iran has successfully separated from the global oil market into a Chinese and Indian market sector. Actually Saudi's probably benefit most from rising oil prices.

Since Iran is not a pushover I doubt the Saudis have the nerve and whereforall to mount an attack in Iran. But their proxies might try.
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"In spite of all the accusations from those who want war with Iran, it is simply not proven Iran had much or anything to do with the Saudi refinery attack."

Sorry TM7, I guess I credited you too early. (and I do agree with you)
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Here's what's being reported now. Very normal for the region. The geographic boundaries are not as important as the tribal boundaries. ...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi...160258656.html

The Abqaiq attacks should not — could not — have come as a surprise. Since the Saudis led an Arab coalition into war against the Houthi rebels in Yemen four years ago, retaliatory strikes have grown in frequency and sophistication.

The Houthis may have started the war as a ragtag militia, but they have been receiving training and assistance from Iran and its other proxies — Hezbollah, most notably — as well as progressively deadlier weapons, including drones and cruise missiles. The Saudi-led coalition, meanwhile, has not only failed to dislodge the Houthis from Sana’a, but also has been unable to impose a blockade on arms supplies to the rebels.

With Iranian assistance, the Houthi attacks have gone from being random to specifically targeted, and especially against Saudi infrastructure, like airports and oil installations, reaching deeper into Saudi territory. The Saudis have only occasionally been able to intercept Houthi missiles. The rebels have made no secret of their desire to keep inflicting economic pain on their sworn enemies to the north
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Now the wisdom of our president becomes clear. WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT !!

This problem is a problem for those who are buying Mideastern oil. Moreover, it is time for the UN to show that it is worth at least a little something.

The principles involved should realize that we do not want to repeat the mistakes made for the last 18 years.

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"The principles involved should realize that we do not want to repeat the mistakes made for the last 18 years."

Right on the money. I would rather suffer a little gas inflation than another Mid-East war!!!!
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"The principles involved should realize that we do not want to repeat the mistakes made for the last 18 years."

Right on the money. I would rather suffer a little gas inflation than another Mid-East war!!!!
We have paid far too much in lives and limbs..say nothing of the trillion$$ wasted, trying to teach freedom to a bunch of tribes, who want nothing to do with it !

A raise in petroleum would be a far easier price to pay . We cannot even GIVE freedom away, to people who don't in any way, want it !

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In fact the attack might have been Stuxnet.
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?? The Stuxnet computer virus was designed to run on a Siemans PLC and attack centrifuges while also spoofing the operators.

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NW-Bear....

I held off commenting alot on this event until I could get more info. There are several factors in play.

First understand that the Saudi Sunni vs Iran Shite rivalry is a war much like the European 30 Years War which killed millions; and with Israel being a 3rd party provocateur.

Secondly Trump is about to sign a mutual defense pact with Israel which would literally put US troops in the region to defend 'occupied territory', a foreign policy blunder. That means Trump's Neocon Conversion is complete and total, and likely Bolton's canning was show only.

Then we have Saudi's wanting to buy top Russian s300 and s400 missile hardware. But that would mean they would be able to 'see' stealthy US and Israeli attack aircraft and missiles. So the caboosh was put on that with the US signing on to protect Saudi assest, now embarrassed with alleged refinery attack.

Now when we examine MSM propaganda news photo evidence of the refinery attack which is in support of the official narrative, we actually see minimum damage with fires out immediately. So best I can tell 4 identical tanks were hit and were identically damaged, which is impossible. Best I can tell the smallest Iranian warhead delivered by air is ard 260lbs of mil explosive which would have completely destroyed and set ablaze these tanks. Perhaps Iranian commandos snuck in there at night and put limpet mines on same spot of each tank, haha. 😄

Finally since the neocons, global socialists, and pentagon war party still think the world is their unipolar playground (which it is not- -its now multipolar), they dangerously overlook the high probability that an all out war on Iran would catalyze a first strike nuclear blitz of the USA from Russia. Need I explain why.?
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Well, the crisis has moderated, Saudia Arabia is going to be able to deliver oil, and the market is dropping back down.
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