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The U.S., devoting the very best scientific minds to building an atom bomb, took the whole project from chalk, blackboard, and a few math formulas, to building and dropping it, in about 4 years. A staggering achievement (that many scientists in Europe considered impossible), which just goes to show you what mankind can accomplish if it puts the best geniuses, and lots of money, into research in an organized fashion.


It has only been during the past 3 or 4 years that the best geniuses in the word, plus tons of money, have focused their attention on researching, designing and constructing long range, quick charging, renewable batteries, all over the world. New patents are being filed every day. The batteries we have today would have been unimaginable just 10 years ago. And, the science is going off in all sorts of new directions: graphene, flourine, carbon-webs, etc.

So, just think of the new batteries that we will have ten years from now!

Folks who bash electric cars just love to bash them in the broadest strokes ( "they will NEVER be popular," "they will NEVER be quick charging," "they will NEVER be as efficient," etc.) What a joke. Do they really think that this technology is just standing still? It is evolving as fast or faster than the computer revolution of the 1980s.

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Yep, they are right up there with that 50 mpg carb. that industry buried so many years ago.

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Yea, I can remember back in college, in 1971, when the average car got 14 miles per gallon, that many engineers claimed it was "absolutely impossible" to build a roadworthy four passenger car that could get 35 to 40 miles per gallon.
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Here is some problems with our electric grid.

1) The plains states can generate enough electricity for the entire US. However, you can't transmit AC power for more then a couple of hundred miles due to resistance. They may could push the power to the Mississippi and Rocky mountains but that is about it right now. Also, not many people live in the plains states. Even though the plains states have a lot of wind, sometimes it doesn't blow.
2) The southwest has enough sun to generate all our electricity. However, it doesn't work at night. Then you have to push the power to California where the people live. We need some type of battery storage.
3) Ocean waves can generate electricity, but there are a lot of boats, ships, and tourist beaches that wave power is not wanted. Then you have the tides.

Prices have to come down on solar panels, and they are more efficient, and can be used in certain areas.

Natural gas is has matched coal as a power producer and is replacing coal plants. One reason is jet engines are used for the generators. They turn a generator, then the exaust heat is pushed through a boiler to produce steam to turn another generator. That way it is only a little more costly than coal, not a lot. It is also the cleanest burning fossil fuel. But for environmentalists it is still fossil fuel.

Electric cars are going to be the future, at the very least hybrids. Prices are coming down (Tesla Model 3), range is increasing, and charge time is much shorter, especially with 240 volt charging. Tesla is supposed to bring out a pickup truck soon (very streamlined and futuristic looking). BMW, Porche, and others are coming out with electric cars.
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Here is some problems with our electric grid.

1) The plains states can generate enough electricity for the entire US. However, you can't transmit AC power for more then a couple of hundred miles due to resistance. They may could push the power to the Mississippi and Rocky mountains but that is about it right now. Also, not many people live in the plains states. Even though the plains states have a lot of wind, sometimes it doesn't blow.
2) The southwest has enough sun to generate all our electricity. However, it doesn't work at night. Then you have to push the power to California where the people live. We need some type of battery storage.
3) Ocean waves can generate electricity, but there are a lot of boats, ships, and tourist beaches that wave power is not wanted. Then you have the tides.

Prices have to come down on solar panels, and they are more efficient, and can be used in certain areas.

Natural gas is has matched coal as a power producer and is replacing coal plants. One reason is jet engines are used for the generators. They turn a generator, then the exaust heat is pushed through a boiler to produce steam to turn another generator. That way it is only a little more costly than coal, not a lot. It is also the cleanest burning fossil fuel. But for environmentalists it is still fossil fuel.

Electric cars are going to be the future, at the very least hybrids. Prices are coming down (Tesla Model 3), range is increasing, and charge time is much shorter, especially with 240 volt charging. Tesla is supposed to bring out a pickup truck soon (very streamlined and futuristic looking). BMW, Porche, and others are coming out with electric cars.
Like: VAC can be transmitted farther than that. If the line Vac is much higher than it is now. But that would mean new transformers and a lot of other changes.
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Yea, I can remember back in college, in 1971, when the average car got 14 miles per gallon, that many engineers claimed it was "absolutely impossible" to build a roadworthy four passenger car that could get 35 to 40 miles per gallon.
It is impossible to build a true four passenger family car, in size and capability of of 1971 that gets 35-40 mpg, especially one that has the capability of towing 4,500 plus pounds those did..
The fwd econ-boxes they call family sedans today are, at best, the same size as sub-compacts in 1971, and cannot carry as much cargo as well as a sub-compact of 1971.

Batteries do not materialize out of thin air, they are constructed using materials that when mined or pumped out of the ground destroy the ecosystem.
Look online what the mines that created material for Lithium batteries do to the environment greenie moron have snit fit about. They have to be disposed of and new one made, the case is mad out of chemical not good for the environment etc. etc. etc.

The save the environment bs is just that bull --it politicians sucker on the huddle moron masses to stay elected, and scientist use to puff up their god wannabe image.

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Okay Bob, in all reality, I'm gonna tell you the bald truth.

No current production electric cars, and no such cars in the next ten years, would be good for you to buy, because they would absolutely not meet your driving and towing needs. No argument there. I totally get it.

BUT, they do and will fill the driving needs of more than half the U.S. population, without question. So why keep making outrageously negative and false statements about electric cars?

Puff up mileage claims? Bob, the original Leaf got only about 45 miles on a charge. That was the best a general production electric car could do in 2010. Eight years later, the upgraded Tesla 3 gets 220 miles per charge, and based on current technology, that is nowhere near the best an electric car can do.

Sorry Bob, but they are coming and coming fast.

During the next 12 months, one-half a million new all-electric cars will be sold in the U.S. alone. (The Tesla Model 3 is on track to comprise 300,000 of them.) An equal number will be sold in Europe, and double that will be sold in China.

So, go ahead and hate them Bob. We don't care. I guess the 500,00 Americans who will be buying them this year (whom you claim are all rich), are morons, and you are smarter than they? Geez, I wonder how they got so rich?

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I remember well the fad of the eighties when the commuter two people motorcycles, four wheel really with a extra wheels that came down for stopping and parking.
There were more than a handful up here and this city was forty thousand people smaller then but , they were mostly driven/ridden by tenured college instructors who new they would always have an income.

Well by the nineties they had all disappeared , but they were the newest best thing since apple pie!
I do have admiration for the gents who actually drove them in the winter, they walked the walk, not just talk.

The wealthy can have there electric cars, which they park in the garage next to their 80,000 dollar sedan, they drive each depending on whom they are trying to impress.
If I do not get stuck paying for bs charging stations they way we got sh-- on by the alcohol subsidy, they are welcome to them; if their toys cost me money I call them the little sh--- boxes they are driven by morons and arrogant a--holes.

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