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.....My point is this: in the edifice of Christian belief, the doctrine of sin is a major load-bearing structure. It is not theologically optional. To lose it, or to downplay it, or to reframe it in terms that are less offensive to our sense of self-worth, is in the long run to render Christianity unintelligible to people. It will become a floating shell, unmoored from its historical foundation, from its own inner logic, and from the realities of human lives......

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Are we sinners because we sin or do we sin because we are sinners?



“I am very concerned that much of modern evangelicalism has lost this clear biblical teaching. We seem to see the source of sin purely in terms of the devil and the world. We see ourselves as good people who are victims of outside forces. We fail to see that we are born fallen.”

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I don’t see that at all in most Pentecostal churches. We sin because we are born sinners and Christ is the only remedy. And we trust the Holy Spirit to do his job which is to lift up Christ by convicting sinners and drawing them to faith in Christ.

Maybe it’s time for you to reform again? Or maybe common language would help you communicate to common people?

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Maybe you should up your game and study? That is a viable option. As a pastor you are not considered “common people” but a man of the word. A man of greater knowledge than “common people”.

Does that doctrine carry through to teaching on every day life in the AoG or is it primarily applied at the point of salvation only?

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Maybe you should up your game and study? That is a viable option. As a pastor you are not considered “common people” but a man of the word. A man of greater knowledge than “common people”.

Does that doctrine carry through to teaching on every day life in the AoG or is it primarily applied at the point of salvation only?
I do study daily. I understand you perfectly. But you notice you don’t usually get many that comment to your threads. Perhaps the old regulars are busy or perhaps they just avoid your threads. With this advise I leave your thread to whatever fate you decide.

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Pastrop has delivered the teachings of Christ in some pretty hostile places. I've seen him do it before. Some would listen where others didn't want to hear it. And those people got downright mean with him. But he never wavered one bit.
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You know Pastorp, It was the “common man” who was spoken to during the Reformation. The printing press made this possible. Students would gather writings or take notes of debates. The thought of many of the reformers would be copied and spread throughout the land where it was debated and discussed by the “common man“.

The BS that these teachings are too technical for the common man is a scape goat argument. In all actuality the “common man” should be insulted that a man of the cloth would think him incapable of grasping these concepts.

Back to the topic at hand. Can you enlighten me concerning the AofG view on the doctrine of sin after salvation? I don’t recall reading about this in the 16 articles.

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You can visit parts of the Vatican library by appointment. But there is still a great deal that they won't allow you to see. Those are in a temperature controlled vault. And most likely not written in English.
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You know Pastorp, It was the “common man” who was spoken to during the Reformation. The printing press made this possible. Students would gather writings or take notes of debates. The thought of many of the reformers would be copied and spread throughout the land where it was debated and discussed by the “common man“.

The BS that these teachings are too technical for the common man is a scape goat argument. In all actuality the “common man” should be insulted that a man of the cloth would think him incapable of grasping these concepts.

Back to the topic at hand. Can you enlighten me concerning the AofG view on the doctrine of sin after salvation? I don’t recall reading about this in the 16 articles.
I am going to put this yere because dealing with sin, is a matter of prayers also.
Those who think that because one is not a Christian on the level Goodshot probably actually is, that is not an insult GS, are told by others you have to do this and that plus you have to have this and that.
Well being in a special club with the Holy Ghost seems to be spoken of here often; a gent I landscaped for was an -- In the spirit denomination or sect -- and one time I was at a house where they had a meeting. It seemed that the "spirit" was all they talked about, not Jesus. (They did not celebrate Christmas.)
It was too many years ago to remember details but I challenged, or asked challenging questions and got polite answers . I came away feeling Jesus blood was not enough for them.

Well, today I looked up praying to the Holy Ghost and found this site:
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...he-holy-spirit

I have never had problems praying and I keep them short and to the point. God has saved me from myself legally and physically numerous times so I know he is listening or simply protecting me from myself when I am too full of myself and not because of prayer but rather because I a lack of prayer due to too much flesh.
While Jesus said "I am with you always" to his disciples, that I believe applies to anyone who has accepted Jesus as Lord.

The site I paste above, to a degree, reminds me of some of the rhetoric found here, and that group I attended years ago.
The Bible calls the Holy Ghost the comforter, not the telegraph wire to Jesus, much less the Father. If one is a Christian one does not have to try to create a special attachment to the Holy Ghost, he will be there, period.
As ones true faith does grow, one's connection to God will grow, as it does for preachers and teachers who go to nasty places willing to die for the Faith.
That comes from Faith in the Good News brought by the one true God, not some special schooling in special prayers to the Holy Ghost.

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I have never had problems praying and I keep them short and to the point. God has saved me from myself legally and physically numerous times so I know he is listening or simply protecting me from myself when I am too full of myself and not because of prayer but rather because I a lack of prayer due to too much flesh.
While Jesus said "I am with you always" to his disciples, that I believe applies to anyone who has accepted Jesus as Lord.

Bob, it sounds like you are avoiding the pitfalls of repetitive prayer. That's a good thing from what I hear. I once could recite the Mass in Latin, i had heard it so many times. It took me awhile to stop calling my Pastor father. He would just laugh. Some of the Catholic converts came up with the name, Catholist.

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