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It is disturbing when educated adults start seeing the advantages of socialism. Guzzijohn (great bikes btw) you are also making my point, once again central planning screws up a good idea. Conan, of course China is socialistic country but they have adopted modified capitalism to pay for it. We have shown them what it can do so they take the benefits to finance a failing system. Anyone that thinks India is a great place just isn't paying attention. As a country it is DIRT POOR!!! The highly educated ones you talk about are their 1 %rs. They are the ones coming here because they can make a decent living. You will notice it is mostly Drs. and engineers. China and India are still 3rd world countries with the beginnings of industrial development. Socialism and welfare are the same, goods and services provided by the govt only in socialism everyone is on the list and with welfare only those showing need. The low wages in China and India has prompted their recent gains mainly through foreign investment (capitalism)

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See, this ^^^^ is much better than the foolishness about Venezuela. If we're going to criticize socialist countries, there are better and more relatable examples than Venezuela. The Venezuela example is childish.

Russia is another socialist country. It has lots of problems too. Criticize Russia too.

Any way you look at it US is better than India, China, and Russia. Criticisms of those countries is a far more effective criticism of the new Democrat socialism that threatens our country.
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You can thank good old LBJ for taking social security funds from the start. Good example of a democratic, liberal president. Don't believe me look it up.
Texan, I think you just made a site socialist liberal come out of the closet. He doesn't know how to respond to
you Cowboy lol. I'd rather talk to Guzzi.
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See, this ^^^^ is much better than the foolishness about Venezuela. If we're going to criticize socialist countries, there are better and more relatable examples than Venezuela. The Venezuela example is childish.

Russia is another socialist country. It has lots of problems too. Criticize Russia too.

Any way you look at it US is better than India, China, and Russia. Criticisms of those countries is a far more effective criticism of the new Democrat socialism that threatens our country.
Ahh, see he always changes his tune like he/she did when it was bad mouthing Texas and Texans.
A couple of Texans called it out on it. Did it apologize? No, it changed the subject.
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What do you think of the Venezuela socialism ideas that have been used recently by conservative punditry?
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I told myself about a month ago I wasn't going to any longer comment on political threads and did a minor slip by doing so in this thread. so ain't going there, but thanks for asking. BTW the way my tongue or in this case my fingers bleed a lot from me biting them. LOL!
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I've been amused by the conservative hype about Venezuela and its failure as a socialist state. I'd like to point out that both China and India are socialist states, are doing quite well for themselves, and together make up nearly forty percent of the world population.
Been reading about Peru and Ecuador, both doing quite well for themselves economically, Peru has a capitalistic government and is a Constitutional Democratic Republic modeled after the US. Ecuador has a Democratic Republic with Representation. These are the strongest economies in South America. It is very difficult to apply China and India's principals in South America, we are better served to compare regional governments.
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Ahh, see he always changes his tune like he/she did when it was bad mouthing Texas and Texans.
A couple of Texans called it out on it. Did it apologize? No, it changed the subject.
Read the original post. There's more intelligence and thought in mikes post than in all of the Venezuela nonsense. My point is that it's about time that nonsense be exposed for what it is.

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Read the original post.
I'd did, and ive also read all the others like a Texan has.
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The USA system is more correctly labelled 'oligarchical corporatism' and with some capitalism responsible for a percent of the GDP. We are highly socialized in that 1 out every 6 or 7 workers derive a paycheck from the fed and state governments, or from government contract....the highest ration on the planet. I consider these people socialists whether they admit it or not.

Social Security and Medicare are hardly welfare since most enrollees and their employers paid handsomely into these programs thru out their working careers. They were designed to assure that medical and banking/landlord sectors got paid by the aged who often died owing alot of cash.

Venezuela is oil and resource rich. They are in the deep state globalist crosshairs and subversion MSM target because they regulate their resources for Venezuelans first. This makes the globalists irrate and go on yet another rampage. Venezuela is not an abortion state. Its like the USA before WW2

Here's A very interesting post from an American who lived in Venezuela --->

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Venezuela is more American than America , I'll give a list , I've lived there for many years!
This is part of the reason they want to end Venezuela as it is.

Free elections

That's right foreign observers are not even the start of it, you can not vote if you are a not a citizen, in fact it's impossible, Unlike in the USA

You cannot get a job without being a citizen, that's right the jobs are only for their people. Not so in the USA


..no lawsuit culture. Not in the USA we love lawsuits that's why we are treated like little baby girls .
Drink and drive or speed at your own risk. Yes they don't preemptively give you tickets. You are responsible for yourself, if you run someone over while drunk you pay a heavy price. If your in a hurry you speed and use your horn and nobody gets offended. Traffic stopped? they think for them selves and make a line like army ants through the grass and keep moving.

Restaurants are not served by Sysco , you will often find waiters and waitresses from your favorite restaurants running a cart through the grocery store throwing everything from lettuce to fish into the cart . And then running the cart through the mall to get it to the chef in the restaurant. Not in the USA !

Things don't have to be labeled organic or non gmo, know why?? Cause everything is already organic and non gmo, thanks to Chavez. It in the USA you can assume quite the opposite.

Taxes are almost non existent, 3000 to 4000 sqft home property taxes are about 6 dollars a year! Not in the USA!

Gas is 1/10 of a penny for a gallon! That's right since it is their gas they get it **** near free. Not in the USA

You have a choice for healthcare, free or private pay. We used the free ones, we had a military hospital right around the corner to us, we brought our kids in a few times for stitches, they don't even ask your name, they tie the 4 year old down with a towel and stitch up the wounds and your out the door! Not in the USA

People say good morning and good afternoon religiously! Not in the USA!

You can tow a car down the highway with a motorcycle! Or drive a truck without and doors! Buying long rebar? won't fit in your car??just strap it to the axles and let it stick out five foot in front of your car and five foot behind while hanging underneath and sometimes scraping the ground. Not in the USA!

Electric bill for our house was never over 12 bucks a month! Not in the USA!

If a major company does not benefit the country, if they are not loyal they are shunned or kicked out. Their resources are for the benefit of the people period! Not in the USA

They have a more free form of capitalism without all the regulation! Not in the USA !

More then half the people carry around a copy of their constitution! Not in the USA !

The government is not controlled by a foreign gov. As the USA is told exactly what to do and how to act.

Venezuela does not kill their own with false flags!

Venezuela does not invade other countries to steal their resources!

Venezuela also has heavily armed local militias, they are there In case gov gets out of line!

I could keep going , this is what I can think of now.
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How is soicalist security a soicalist program ? All the money is paid in by the participants. No govt funds .
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How is soicalist security a soicalist program ? All the money is paid in by the participants. No govt funds .
I responded to that earlier in this thread. It's not socialist. It's a national decision on how to use taxes for public welfare.
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