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Only point I would like to make is, If bacon offends someones sense of smell then they sure as **** can't comprehend what good barbecue or chili tastes like.
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The SS tax was in addition to income tax. And was promised to be used for our old age retirement. We paid into it above all the other taxes levied on us. To call it welfare is disgusting to say the least Conan.
I didn't say welfare. I said welfare state. Is that not a commonly understood term and concept?
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Words have meanings. Your choice of words IMPLIES SS recipients are welfare cases in a welfare state.

FYI... social security insurance is the correct term and is prepaid.

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Only point I would like to make is, If bacon offends someones sense of smell then they sure as **** can't comprehend what good barbecue or chili tastes like.
You make yours hot, but it is good lol.
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Words have meanings. Your choice of words IMPLIES SS recipients are welfare cases in a welfare state.

FYI... social security insurance is the correct term and is prepaid.

For my 2 cents Texas bar-b-cue is about the best around.

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My choice of words is exactly correct. I could also have used the term social welfare policy equivalently.

Look this stuff up. It will only take a few minutes. There's no dishonor or anything insulting or demeaning implied in those terms. They're used practically universally when describing programs that benefit society at large. Some countries have more benefits than others. I was surprised to see that they're clearly not understood by a few people here.

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We were surprised about you. Don't mess with Texas.
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What do you think of the Venezuela socialism ideas that have been used recently by conservative punditry?
I think like so many other words that have lost their meaning "socialism" is a great example. It is used by its adherents and detractors to mean whatever they want it to mean. To adherents it is dream of "equality" and "benefits" for all especially the classes who have been given a small share of the pie so far. To detractors it is a label for the failed attempt at creating some form of equality - remember we spent MANY years after the founding without true equality except in name only. Most "socialist" countries including Venezuela are simply power grabs by some opportunistic group who claims one thing and delivers another. The failure of a rich country like Venezuela is not a moment to gloat but rather a time to reflect on how we could help the citizens (common people) regain a government from corruption and greed and build a stable society.

My bottom line is that most countries are neither capitalist or socialist, but rather a mixture of several forms of societal organization. The only true socialists I see are so called "primitive" societies where everyone in the tribe is supported to some degree or another. There is of course hierarchy but no one is left to starve and everyone looks out for the benefit of the collective. The same thing occurs in segments of our society; the Mormons and Quakers come to mind as groups which consider the "collective good" more important than the "individual right". What is great about America is that you can choose that for yourself if so inclined. The down side of "capitalism" is that even in a computer model of random investment and random return/loss it has been shown that a pattern emerges of a few winners and a large number of losers. As the simulation goes on the rich get richer and the losers fall out (have no money left and are eliminated). Again this is not to say that skill is not involved, but luck is way underrated. EVERYONE claims they have skill, few admit that a mediocre jockey can win a large amount of the time if riding the fastest horse. I used to say that success was 50% skill and 50% luck; and 50% of the skill was CLAIMING the 50% which was luck was ALSO SKILL!!!
I have meet many people in business who were thought to have skill but in reality just happened to be in the right place at the right time and caught a big wave (drew a fast horse).
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Sorry, NWbear, but I just don't buy that. There may be some luck, but it certainly is not 50% or anywhere near that. For an example, take a look at lottery winners. Look at how many poor people have won a large sum of money, and a few years later they are poor again. They just don't know how to handle money or wealth. Then, look at rich people who have lost everything (some sort of bad luck) and a few years later they're well off again. If you took all the wealth in this country and divided it equally between all, I'd be willing to bet that in 10 to 15 years you would have a very large number of poor and others who are millionaires (probably most of the same ones that were before).

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Texas beef BBQ is the best followed by Florida .pork on the other had comes from Virginia followed by NC then Ga.
Oysters the Eastern shore of VA
Crab Maryland. Fried fish SC.and Manitoba.
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Anything lime Key West along with cheese burgers , cured hams Va
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"pork on the other had comes from Virginia followed by NC then Ga."






Not a fan of the Carolina vinegar based barbecue.

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