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Sorry, NWbear, but I just don't buy that. There may be some luck, but it certainly is not 50% or anywhere near that. For an example, take a look at lottery winners. Look at how many poor people have won a large sum of money, and a few years later they are poor again. They just don't know how to handle money or wealth. Then, look at rich people who have lost everything (some sort of bad luck) and a few years later they're well off again. If you took all the wealth in this country and divided it equally between all, I'd be willing to bet that in 10 to 15 years you would have a very large number of poor and others who are millionaires (probably most of the same ones that were before).
You are exactly right.
Socialism has to revert to communism or it will revert to capitalism.
I doubt that any of the liberals have ever been to a socialist/communist country, so their BS is just that, BS.
I've been to one and saw the beautiful old buildings crumbling to dust,
A country where everyone works for the government for $40 per month and a few "free" rice and beans.
Anyone who leads the cheers for socialism is a total imbecile.

HEAVEN HAS A WALL, A GATE, AND A STRICT IMMIGRATION POLICY.
HEII HAS OPEN BORDERS. taken from fox news

DEMOCRATS/ABORTIONISTS SHOULD TAKE HEED OF THE FACT THAT BABIES ARE GOD'S MOST PRECIOUS.

MURDER BABIES AND YOU "WILL" BURN FOR ETERNITY.
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The disparity between capitalism and socialism runs deeper than economics or politics. It is a spiritual division..

Has anyone noticed that the most severe socialist/communist nations (e.g. the old USSR, China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, North Korea etc) are militantly atheist, or at least viscerally anti-Christian?

Why is that?
Well, Jesus told us to render to the government what belongs to them, and to God..what belongs to Him. However, socialism/communism demands that government take the place of God... the old "God or Gov" choice..

Socialism demands that the citizen place all his/her trust in government! The result being that the public for all practical purposes, hands over their very lives and fortunes to atheist leaders, who have no moral compass to demand that they be either fair or honest with the people.

Capitalism is inherent in the Judeo-Christian heritage, which is not compatible with socialism.


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Of course you are very correct in this.
Ever since the fall in Genesis the battle has been going on.
The war has already been won and the adversary knows his eternal fate is sealed.
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Come quickly, Lord Jesus
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Words have meanings. Your choice of words IMPLIES SS recipients are welfare cases in a welfare state.

FYI... social security insurance is the correct term and is prepaid.

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My choice of words is exactly correct. I could also have used the term social welfare policy equivalently.

Look this stuff up. It will only take a few minutes. There's no dishonor or anything insulting or demeaning implied in those terms. They're used practically universally when describing programs that benefit society at large. Some countries have more benefits than others. I was surprised to see that they're clearly not understood by a few people here.
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Your word choice is right out of propaganda MSM lexicon, which has for years been conditioning the playing field for a mega ripoff of SS and Medicare accounts.

'Welfare' terms in this context are
. pejorative because SS and Medicare are more accurately described as Safety Net Programs; since both are called SS Insurance and Medicare Insurance and are pre-paid, PRE-PAID!
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Your word choice is right out of propaganda MSM lexicon, which has for years been conditioning the playing field for a mega ripoff of SS and Medicare accounts.

'Welfare' terms in this context are
. pejorative because SS and Medicare are more accurately described as Safety Net Programs; since both are called SS Insurance and Medicare Insurance and are pre-paid, PRE-PAID!
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Right on, TM ! The MSM has been doing their best to remove the division between paid for services, such as social security and medicare...and the freebies, such as Food stamps, welfare and WIC..

They would like people to believe this...thus ushering otherwise reasonable people into the downward socialist spiral.


Let's look just how serious these socialists are.. Consider Elizabeth Warren, Bernie whats-his-name , or any other big shot socialist. They are each worth several million$$ or more. So why have they not given all away, down at least to the average annual wage?

When I was a platoon sergeant in the Army, I never asked any troop under me to do anything I would not do ! I always felt obliged to expend extra energy, just to set the example.

I try to do the same with my leadership position in my church.. do my best to set an example..

So, why are these big mouth socialists not doing the same? Perhaps when all those socialists set the example, by distributing all their wealth, until they are equal to the average wage earner...some folks may start to hear what they say.


I think they know exactly what most of us know, that you can give $1,000,000 to 3 different people..

#1)After taxes, will give some to charity, invest the rest and live comfortably..

#2) After taxes, will put half in the bank and invest the rest into a hare-brained scheme ..which fails.

#3) grudgingly pays the taxes...then he p****s away the rest, as fast as he can.

In other words your distributed million$ won't make a dimes worth of difference, to the society as a whole. In a couple short years, the THINKING one that was thrifty will be doing fine, the chancy one will be doing passably well, and the 3rd will be back on the street in a year, just as he was found..

No real change.

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"If you took all the wealth in this country and divided it equally between all, I'd be willing to bet that in 10 to 15 years you would have a very large number of poor and others who are millionaires (probably most of the same ones that were before)."

Casull,

I would not argue with that. The problem with citing people who make it or make it back, is that we never hear about he ones who didn't make it (far more than made it). What ever happened to the guys who wrote the software Bill Gates and Paul Allen bought and then sold to IBM for the original PC operating system? They knew they could not write a program from scratch (in time) so they bought another program and modified it to sell to IBM for the original "PC". What happened to those other guys????? How would Apple have fared if they never "stole" the graphics based interface for the MacIntosh from Xerox??? Xerox invented it, Apple "appropriated" it and Microsoft copied the idea in Windows, but Xerox got nada for it?????

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"If you took all the wealth in this country and divided it equally between all, I'd be willing to bet that in 10 to 15 years you would have a very large number of poor and others who are millionaires (probably most of the same ones that were before)."

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I would not argue with that. The problem with citing people who make it or make it back, is that we never hear about he ones who didn't make it (far more than made it). What ever happened to the guys who wrote the software Bill Gates and Paul Allen bought and then sold to IBM for the original PC operating system? They knew they could not write a program from scratch (in time) so they bought another program and modified it to sell to IBM for the original "PC". What happened to those other guys????? How would Apple have fared if they never "stole" the graphics based interface for the MacIntosh from Xerox??? Xerox invented it, Apple "appropriated" it and Microsoft copied the idea in Windows, but Xerox got nada for it?????

As a good friend once told me in the punch line to a joke, "timing".
...And a complete socialist country would not ever develop such a program, because there is no incentive to do so.

Why would any bright person, slave day & night for years to produce such a program, if his long hours of labor and his own ingenuity properties would be robbed from him ?
....And the fruits of his labor handed over to the crowd that partied, slept and played, while he was slaving to produce something worthwhile ?

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...And a complete socialist country would not ever develop such a program, because there is no incentive to do so.

Why would any bright person, slave day & night for years to produce such a program, if his long hours of labor and his own ingenuity properties would be robbed from him ?
....And the fruits of his labor handed over to the crowd that partied, slept and played, while he was slaving to produce something worthwhile ?
They wouldn't. They would join a caravan headed North. Honduras, our tourist trade has reduced by 60%.
Well duhh.

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"pork on the other had comes from Virginia followed by NC then Ga."






Not a fan of the Carolina vinegar based barbecue.
It is one of those things you like it don't for sure.
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It is one of those things you like it don't for sure.
I prefer vinegar based and my wife likes sweet sauce.

HEAVEN HAS A WALL, A GATE, AND A STRICT IMMIGRATION POLICY.
HEII HAS OPEN BORDERS. taken from fox news

DEMOCRATS/ABORTIONISTS SHOULD TAKE HEED OF THE FACT THAT BABIES ARE GOD'S MOST PRECIOUS.

MURDER BABIES AND YOU "WILL" BURN FOR ETERNITY.
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