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I've been amused by the conservative hype about Venezuela and its failure as a socialist state. I'd like to point out that both China and India are socialist states, are doing quite well for themselves, and together make up nearly forty percent of the world population.
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Conan, you had me convinced you were a thinker. The reason china is doing better is their move to capitalism. The average citizen in China or India does not have a great standard of living. It is only better than it has been because they have adopted at least a modified form of Capitalism. A large population does not equate to financial success.

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Missionaryfriends in Calcutta tell me it takes most of every morning to pick up the poor people that die during each night. Socialism works well for the ruling cast.

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I believe you will find some capitalist measures are creeping into China. It is so they can afford cars etc and supply more money to government. Can't believe y'all didn't do a fact check.🙄

BTW aren't they Communist ?
And it works so well a few years back some bad paint was used on toys sent to the USA and the plant manager was put to death. Shame really he followed what the US company had requested.
Anyone who thinks soicalist forms of government is best are a speical kind of stupid.

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Conan, you had me convinced you were a thinker. The reason china is doing better is their move to capitalism. The average citizen in China or India does not have a great standard of living. It is only better than it has been because they have adopted at least a modified form of Capitalism. A large population does not equate to financial success.

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This. ^ Add in the fact that The US and western Europe have given these two countries a great deal of help. Without Bill Clinton and his "most favored nation" deal where might China be today? And like the pastor said, not all the residents enjoy the fruits of socialism.
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You guys need to go back to Conan's library and do some more reading on the subject. While you're there read between the lines. Wow what nonsense.
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The ChiComs also have a President for life. Their economy is worsening, with their own version of the “housing crisis”. Building huge surveillance infrastructure, censorship et....Big time pollution. Ambitions for the whole of the South China Sea. Sometimes, I can’t tell if Conan is kidding.

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Yeah, the only reason that socialism (communism) hasn't worked all that great is that the right people haven't given it a fair chance. Well heck, let's give it a big ole try. Right? Here's a better idea, let's not fix something that ain't broken--yet. Y'all think China and India got it going--pack up and git over there.

I'm betting that a blue collar guy would be doing well in either of those countries and many more to work most of his whole life and retire and have a nice little hovel and maybe even a motor bike to get around on. As opposed to us poor slobs who retired before 60, live in a house that only rich folks could have afforded when I was a kid and have a bunch of vehicles and boats and every toy known to man all paid for. I believe I'll stick it out here in this capitalist $31thole.

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There is more to Venezuela's failure than just its aspects of socialism.



Socialism comes in many different forms, as does capitalism. If a country's degree of socialism can be paid for without borrowing or rampant inflation, it might be considered successful, at least to those on the receiving end. Those on the paying end likely perceive it differently. If it depends on constant, ever increasing debt or inflation, it will eventually collapse. No Ponzi scheme can go on forever.



I'm not sure I would call India a successful country--or a socialist country. Maybe working toward being a successful socialist country. The hundreds of thousands, and maybe millions, of children whose daily lives consists of picking though trash dumps to survive, or the hundreds of millions living in small villages and the slums of the big cities in shelters I wouldn't even relegate to the "shack" class would not recognize the socialism. For them, there is no professional health care, free or otherwise, no education, free or otherwise. Life is good for many and getting better thanks to foreign investment and they may be getting some benefits from socialistic laws but the country as a whole is a third world pit and hundreds of millions receive little to nothing from government. Many areas are virtually lawless. Witchcraft is common.



China. That's a whole different animal. Until recently, it operated under strict central control of every aspect of life. The government's goals were more concerned with absolute control of the population and building a modern military complex than providing for the general citizen's welfare. Any socialism came about more as a way to keep the population healthy and educated enough to achieve the central government's goals than as acts of altruism. China's purges cleaned out many of the types of populations that are an economic drain on other economies.



Both India and China have endured. Successful socialist countries? Not sure the majority of their citizens would agree. A friend from India and an acquaintance from China would certainly not agree. Neither country would be doing nearly as well as they are if western businesses had not invested heavily in them. It has not been that long ago that products from India and China were a joke quality wise.



A better model for Socialism might be the Scandinavian countries but I have read that the influx of Muslim refugees is starting to create a financial strain.
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