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Omar and her CAIR comrades are the definition of a 5th column.
“A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an invading enemy's military and political aims”

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Luke 3:23-38 Lists the genealogy of Mary.
Sorry Ray but those verses track the genealogy of Joseph, Jesus' stepfather, not Mary. No where in the Bible is Mary's lineage tracked.

Since Jesus was immaculately conceived
Its immaterial whether he was a jew, Palestinian, semite, or any other entity claiming ownership of him because he was born of no seed save God's.

This however makes Jesus the 2nd Christian.

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Sorry Ray but those verses track the genealogy of Joseph, Jesus' stepfather, not Mary. No where in the Bible is Mary's lineage tracked.

Since Jesus was immaculately conceived
Its immaterial whether he was a jew, Palestinian, semite, or any other entity claiming ownership of him because he was born of no seed save God's.

This however makes Jesus the 2nd Christian.

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Nope that is Mary.
And it does matter to God that His Son was born of His people.


Matthew 1:1-16 is the genealogy of Joseph. Jacob was Joseph's father.
Luke 3:23-38 is the genealogy Mary. Eli was Joseph's father-in-law.
You should have known this - Or is this just an opportunity the show anti-Semitism.

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Read that Luke passage. They're talking about stepfather Joe - ->

Luke 3:23-38 King James Version (KJV)
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Etc. Etc. Etc.


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Nope- Your not listening or reading the verses in Matthew.


Eli (Heli NKJ) was Joseph's father-in-law, Mary's father.
Its written that way because in Jesus's time the convention was:
1) women were not afforded the respect they are today.
2) once married Joseph would be considered Heli son, too


Matthew 1: 19 Jacob was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born.
Jacob was Joseph's father.

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Read that Luke passage. They're talking about stepfather Joe - ->

Luke 3:23-38 King James Version (KJV)
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Etc. Etc. Etc.


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Oh oh… Sorry, "Maggie's drawers"..the red Disinformation flag is waving....

Matthew 1 gives Joseph's lineage, starting with David, in verse one..That is clearly Joseph's lineage.. In vs 6 , we get to David then his son Solomon, and goes forward, finally arriving at Joseph.

However, over in (Like 3:23-32) Jesus' lineage through Mary is given, but it is given in reverse. It starts with Jesus and goes backward to vs 32.
In vs 31..read it carefully.. Mary's genealogy, Nathan is the son of David from which Mary descended.. Trace back through the lineage..the names in the (Luke 3) genealogy don't match the names in Joseph's (Matt 1) genealogy.

Yes in (Luke 3:23) Joseph is mentioned, simply because of the male preeminence at the time.

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(Luke 3:31)

David

his son..Nathan

grandson..Mattatha

great grandson..Menan

gg grandson...Melea

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(Matthew 1:6,7)

David

son....Solomon

grandson...Booz (Boaz)

g drandson… Obed

gg grandson... Jesse
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This may help;

https://bible.org/question/mary’s-lineage-one-gospels

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IG...

Your link says 'not found'.

You and Ray are 'interpolating' something you wish to see in the Bible, but Mary's lineage simply isn't there.
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In fact it is generally held by Bible scholars (and Islamic scholars, too), that there is no lineage of Mary in the Bible.

The Catholic church is as good as any source on the topic. From Wikipedia--->

Joachim (/ˈdʒoʊəkɪm/; "he whom Yahweh has set up", Hebrew: יְהוֹיָקִים Yəhôyāqîm, Greek Ἰωακείμ Iōākeím) was according to some of apocryphal writings the husband of Saint Anne and the father of Mary, the mother of Jesus. The story of Joachim and Anne first appears in the apocryphal Gospel of James. ***Joachim and Anne are not mentioned in the Bible.[1] His feast day is 26 July.

Joschim and Saint Anne were banished to the dessert by High Priest of Jerusalem.
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OK..here's the link you did not find;
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Here is the comment of Ryrie in the “Ryrie Study Bible.”
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"The genealogy in Matt. 1:1f is traced through Joseph, Jesus’ legal (though not natural) father, and it establishes His claim and right to the throne of David (v. 6). The genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 is evidently that of Mary, though some believe it is also Joseph’s, by assuming that Matthan (Matt 1:15) and Matthat (Luke 3:24) were the same person and Jacob (Matt 1:16) and Eli (Luke 3:23) were brothers (one being Joseph’s father and the other his uncle). See note on Luke 3:23.
Many conservative scholars have taken this view because of the many differences in the names between the two accounts. The biggest difference is that after David, many of the names are different. It would seem best to explain the difference by viewing Luke’s genealogy as tracing the physical ancestors of Christ through Mary, while Matthew’s genealogy traces the kingly line of Christ through Joseph.
The following is the comment from The Bible Knowledge Commentary:
In addition Luke’s and Matthew’s lists from David to Shealtiel (during the time of the Exile) differ. That is because the lists trace different lines. Luke traced David’s line through Nathan, whereas Matthew traced it through Solomon. Following Shealtiel’s son, Zerubbabel, the lists once again differ until both lists unite at Joseph whom, Luke noted, was “thought” to be the father of Jesus. Little doubt exists that Matthew’s genealogy traced the kingly line of David—the royal legal line. The question is, What is the significance of Luke’s genealogy? Two main possibilities exist.
1. Luke was tracing the line of Mary. Many interpreters argue that Luke was giving the genealogy of Mary, showing that she also was in the line of David and that therefore Jesus was qualified as the Messiah not only through Joseph (since he was the oldest legal heir) but also through Mary.
2. Luke was tracing the actual line of Joseph. This view maintains that the legal line and the actual line of David through which Jesus came met at Joseph, the supposed father of Jesus. In this view Jacob, Joseph’s uncle, would have died childless and therefore Joseph would have been the closest living heir. Thus Joseph and then Jesus would have been brought into the royal line.
Both views have problems which are difficult to answer, not the least of which is the fact that the two genealogies meet at Shealtiel and Zerubbabel and then split a second time only to come together at Joseph and Jesus. (Cf. comments on Matt. 1:12.) Regardless of one’s view it is important to note an important aspect of the theology Luke expressed in his genealogy. He related Jesus not only to Abraham but all the way back to Adam and to God. This is an indication of the universal offer of salvation, which is common to his Gospel—that Jesus came to save all people—Gentiles as well as the nation of Israel (cf. Luke 2:32).
Luke 3:23 says, “And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli.” Many believe that Luke is saying that Jesus was the grandson of Eli or Heli through Mary. Eli was Mary’s father and Jesus’ grandfather. By contrast, Joseph was son of Jacob according to Matthew.
There is another argument that comes from the theme, purpose, and audience of the two gospels. Matthew was written to the Jews to prove that Jesus was in the legal line of David by adoption through Joseph. However, this was not Luke’s purpose. Luke was writing to show and emphasize the humanity of Christ. He was writing to Gentiles or Greeks to show Jesus’ involvement with the needs of men. In keeping with this focus, we might naturally expect Luke, the doctor, to present the genealogy of Jesus through Mary, the source of his true humanity. For further study you might check out the studies on “Prophecies of the Birth of Christ” on of our web site."

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