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Did I miss something here? Is this the political forum, or the religious forum?

Some folks wonder why others complain about mixing forums?
DEE. My fault. I put it here because I thought it was more about Jesus than politics. BOY, was I wrong. I wrongly thought that Jesus was widely known to be a JEW. Jesus a pali?? Now that's not even funny. CHARLIE.

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Jesus is known as a jew widely by the jewish Christians or evangelicals. He excoriated the jewish Pharisees every chance he could until he was conspiratorially murdered by them . Otherwise he is a devine spirit who preached and taught in Judea; known as Palestine today. If he did his Great Work in Texas he'd be known as a Texan.

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By interpolating Jesus' lineage you make him exclusionary and contrary to his allegorical and divine creation.

Its time you see what your co-religionists think of your lineage interpolation. -->

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Jesus is known as a jew widely by the jewish Christians or evangelicals. He excoriated the jewish Pharisees every chance he could until he was conspiratorially murdered by them . Otherwise he is a devine spirit who preached and taught in Judea; known as Palestine today. If he did his Great Work in Texas he'd be known as a Texan.

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By interpolating Jesus' lineage you make him exclusionary and contrary to his allegorical and divine creation.

Its time you see what your co-religionists think of your lineage interpolation. -->

https://outreachjudaism.org/marys-genealogy/

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Keep in mind, I did not bring the genealogy into this discussion. Ray brought it in..as shown in post #10 and you answered in post #22.

I am not concerned over Jesus' Jewishness, since I am satisfied that he is descended from King David on both sides, even though it is only Mary's side that truly counts, since Joseph was not really his father..

Fact is that after a questioning and trial, when they nailed Jesus to the cross, a sign was placed over his head saying, "king of the Jews".

Yes, the Pharisees claimed "he said he was king of the Jews". OK , even better..Jesus could not even be eligible to be king, unless he truly was a Jew!

Plus, it is certain Jesus is not exclusionary and I see no point where I am promoting such an idea..;


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Pilate had the sign placed on the cross.
It was a joke mocking the Pharisee.

Again, Jesus was immaculately conceived by a virgin (who the Bible doesn't discern) and from divinity of God. By your measures God must be a jewish God. Jews likely agree with you by chosenism dogma.

But Jesus, I and gentiles disagree.
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Pilate had the sign placed on the cross.
It was a joke mocking the Pharisee.

Again, Jesus was immaculately conceived by a virgin (who the Bible doesn't discern) and from divinity of God. By your measures God must be a jewish God. Jews likely agree with you by chosenism dogma.

But Jesus, I and gentiles disagree.
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Gentiles were included almost from the start.. I don't know what you re driving at..


Galatians 3:28
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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Romans 10:12
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For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
Romans 3:29
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Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
Colossians 3:11
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a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 28:28
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"Therefore let it be known to you that this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles; they will also listen."
Galatians 3:8
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The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."
Romans 11:25
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For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Romans 1:16
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Isaiah 42:6
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"I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,
Ephesians 4:17
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So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind,
Romans 11:11
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I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.
Matthew 20:25
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But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.
Romans 2:14
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For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
Ephesians 3:6
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to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
Isaiah 61:6
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But you will be called the priests of the LORD; You will be spoken of as ministers of our God You will eat the wealth of nations, And in their riches you will boast.
Acts 15:19
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"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
Romans 9:30
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What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;
Luke 21:24
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and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Acts 13:47
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"For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.'"
Ephesians 2:14
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For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
Romans 11:13
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But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Colossians 1:27
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to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
1 Corinthians 1:23
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but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
Isaiah 60:11
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"Your gates will be open continually; They will not be closed day or night, So that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations, With their kings led in procession.
Romans 2:24
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For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
Romans 11:17
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But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Isaiah 42:1
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"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.
Matthew 10:5
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These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;
Matthew 12:21
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"AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE."
Isaiah 49:6
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He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth..



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IG...As the rabbi explained in my link. Jesus can't be the messiah because he's not Davidic. So no first or second coming for them.
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Many Jews would debate the issue with you...and their numbers are growing daily..

https://www.allaboutreligion.org/messianic-jew.htm

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From TM..post #42;

" Jesus is known as a jew widely by the jewish Christians or evangelicals. He excoriated the jewish Pharisees every chance he could until he was conspiratorially murdered by them . Otherwise he is a devine spirit who preached and taught in Judea; known as Palestine today. If he did his Great Work in Texas he'd be known as a Texan."
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Bethlehem was the scene of Jesus' nativity...Bethlehem was located in the tribal lands of Judah.

He was born in the tribal territory of Judah.. Can't be much more Jewish than that.

Furthermore, the lambs that were brought to sacrifice at the temple, were usually selected from the flocks around Bethlehem. "sacrificial lamb"..get it"

How clever of God to have this king of the Jews born in the same town where King David was born and raised!

Jesus said, "I am the bread of life"..at communion, we eat of the bread..

Bethlehem..interpreted..means the "house of bread".. God had it all figured..didn't he!


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Jesus might have been born in Bethlehem but he was raised in Galilee and lived there.

If born in New Orleans but lived in Texas he be a Texan.

Jews only claim ownership of Jesus as far as the jewish Christians are concerned. But for themselves Jesus has no Davidic lineage and so is one reason they never called him messiah, not to mention calling him an imposter and sourcerer.

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But Jesus, I and gentiles disagree.
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So your not a Gentile ?

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