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How does one man protect 2000 students , against a man on a mission to kill . with the advantage of surprise .
Maybe by shooting back???? CHARLIE.
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Everyone deserves their day in court.,but why would they pursue a criminal charge against him for following orders to not engage?
Even the sorry excuse of a liberal sheriff said he should have entered the building to try and stop the shooter.So was he following orders, or just brown legged.Any way it goes, I sure wouldn't want to be in this guy's shoes.

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Let me just ask this. If you were there as an officer and you had children in that building would you go in? They were all someones children and I would consider all of their lives more valuable than mine. Obviously those police officers did!
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Parents, Media, Monday Morning Quarterbacks, and Public Opinion suggest lives could have been saved if the Resource Officer had charged into the building. That is Survivor Guilt and wishful thinking. THOSE PEOPLE WERE NOT THERE IN THAT MOMENT ON THAT DAY.

Officer Peterson could have immediately entered the school (as many wish he had). He could have cleared the ground floor halls and moved to the 2nd floor. He could have cleared those halls and moved to the 3rd floor (THREE FLOORS).

BY THEN I think the shooting might have stopped and 17 WOULD STILL BE DEAD...but the man's integrity would be intact. Are you kidding me? Is that what we have become?

I don't have the facts. I wasn't there. I don't know the duration time of the shooting. I don't know the layout of the school. I don't know the lighting. I don't know the nooks and crannies inside that could be used as cover. Peterson knew these.

Post #26 suggests the halls were "full of thick smoke from gunfire" [emphasis added]. That doesn't sound feasible considering the volume of the building. I didn't even know there were three floors (see post #26)!

There is SO MUCH I DON'T KNOW. How can I judge this man? I wasn't there!

To ARREST Peterson and CHARGE HIM with neglect of a child, culpable negligence, and perjury (maybe this last one was under duress - IDK), is Mob Mentality. Let's just lynch someone and we will all feel better.

For the FDLE Commissioner Rick Swearingen to suggest “There can be no excuse for his complete inaction and no question that his inaction cost lives.” (see OP) would mean the Commissioner has some crystal ball that includes the results for the scenario that Peterson DID INDEED enter the facility. Failing that crystal ball, the Commissioner does a disservice to ALL for his wrongful judgement.

For former Governor and current US Senator Rick Scott to pontificate, “Had this individual done his job, lives would have been saved. Actions (or inaction) have consequences." adjudicates guilt in the face of unknown circumstances. Rick Scott doesn't KNOW.

Where is the FDLE Commissioner's and Rick Scott's contempt and condemnation for the Obama Administration (and directly culpable policies) that led to Cruz being "below the radar" and allowed to purchase a firearm in the face of insurmountable evidence and threats ? If we are to accuse Peterson, we should go to the source of this shooting - the PROMISE Program.

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A repeat offender, Cruz benefited from the lax discipline policy, if not the counseling. Although he was disciplined for a string of offenses -- including assault, threatening teachers and carrying bullets in his backpack -- he was never taken into custody or even expelled. Instead, school authorities referred him to mandatory counseling or transferred him to alternative schools.

By avoiding a criminal record, Cruz passed a federal background check in February 2017 before purchasing the AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle investigators say was used in the mass shooting. Just one month earlier, he was disciplined with a one-day internal suspension for an “assault” at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and evaluated as a potential “threat." It was his second offense for fighting in less than four months, but campus police did not make an arrest in either case -- as they typically did for repeat offenders under the district’s prior zero-tolerance policies...

The upshot was that the lack of an arrest record made it difficult for police to confirm that Cruz was a proven threat and to intervene when they received call-in tips and complaints from neighbors, classmates and relatives about his stockpiling of weapons and desire to kill people, law enforcement officials say.

A little more than a month before the Feb. 14 shooting, the FBI hotline received a tip about Cruz being a potential school gunman, but it failed to take action. If he had been previously arrested and booked for the on-campus misdemeanors, the FBI intake specialist handling the call would have seen his violent history in the federal National Crime Information Center database, which includes all state arrests, convictions, warrants and alerts.

“Once the agent, or any officer, entered his name in the NCIC system, his history would have been viewed,” Biasello said.

Though he said the call was “specific and urgent” enough to pass the information on to the bureau’s Miami field office, “the message might have been taken more seriously and escalated up the chain of command if the search turned up a police record."

Another tip from last September, warning the FBI that a "Nikolas Cruz" had boasted on YouTube he was “going to be a professional school shooter,” also fell through the cracks due to a paucity of information in the system. A spokesman for the Miami division explained that “the FBI conducted database reviews [and] checks but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment.”

The Broward County Sheriff’s Office received at least 45 calls related to Cruz and his brother dating back to 2008 – including a February 2016 call from a neighbor warning he made a threat on Instagram to "shoot up" the high school, and another last November advising he was collecting guns and knives and appeared to be "a school shooter in the making." Though deputies visited Cruz at his home, they did not try to recover his weapons, despite requests from relatives who feared he planned to use them on his classmates.

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..and now you see why I believe that Peterson has become the scapegoat. If we lynch him, all the rest will somehow go away and we won't look under the rug for the dirt that lies there.
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It has been posted if you were an officer and had children in that building would you go in? Another question is would you commit suicide because depending on conditions that could be exactly what you could be doing. I don't think anyone has the right to ask a deputy to commit suicide.
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It has been posted if you were an officer and had children in that building would you go in? Another question is would you commit suicide because depending on conditions that could be exactly what you could be doing. I don't think anyone has the right to ask a deputy to commit suicide.
Sure they do. It's the grandiose thing to do.
Just hitch them britches up, call up that "tombstone courage" and charge into the gunfire.
Never mind that you don't know, how many there are, where they are, what they look like, how their armed.
Get your ass in there, with no backup and Die!

We'll put you up a plack, have nice funeral, and talk about you on the news. For about a week. Coward!

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Sure they do. It's the grandiose thing to do.
Just hitch them britches up, call up that "tombstone courage" and charge into the gunfire.
Never mind that you don't know, how many there are, where they are, what they look like, how their armed.
Get your ass in there, with no backup and Die!

We'll put you up a plack, have nice funeral, and talk about you on the news. For about a week. Coward!
Yeah, "to protect and to serve" means that when you know kids are being executed you stand around with your thumb up your @$$. Is that what you are saying. Or are you saying someone has to stop this slaughter but it sure as heck ain't gonna be me? I think I'll wait until he runs out of bullets then we I'll do something!

No heroics involved when you value other lives over your own! I would think that if Riley Howard an unarmed 21 year old college student has the balls and integrity to thwart a mass shooting even to the point of giving up his life then someone who's job is "to protect and to serve" would do no less.
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Yeah, "to protect and to serve" means that when you know kids are being executed you stand around with your thumb up your @$$. Is that what you are saying. Or are you saying someone has to stop this slaughter but it sure as heck ain't gonna be me? I think I'll wait until he runs out of bullets then we I'll do something!

No heroics involved when you value other lives over your own! I would think that if Riley Howard an unarmed 21 year old college student has the balls and integrity to thwart a mass shooting even to the point of giving up his life then someone who's job is "to protect and to serve" would do no less.
I agree totally with this post. They take that oath to protect.
And kids being murdered is cause to do everything you can do to stop it.
Anything else is cowardice.
I know for sure that I would face gunfire to protect my wife or daughter, and I think that I could do the same for others.
I hope my resolve is never tested.

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I agree totally with this post. They take that oath to protect.
And kids being murdered is cause to do everything you can do to stop it.
Anything else is cowardice.
I know for sure that I would face gunfire to protect my wife or daughter, and I think that I could do the same for others.
I hope my resolve is never tested.

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