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Climate Change Extremism Isnít Popular, And It Never Will Be
The protesters dragged off the top of a train in London by angry commuters exemplified the disconnect between climate change ideologues and ordinary people.
John Daniel DavidsonBy John Daniel Davidson
OCTOBER 18, 2019
If you think most people are willing to make drastic changes to their lives because of climate change, let alone restructure the entire economy and do away with fossil fuels and capitalism, think again.

A viral video of London commuters dragging a pair of climate change protesters off the top of a train Thursday morning perfectly captures this disconnect between environmentalist doomsayers and ordinary working people.

The activists, part of a climate change group called Extinction Rebellion thatís been staging protests throughout the city since last Monday, shut down the tube when they climbed atop a train in Londonís Canning Town station in the middle of the morning rush hour to display a banner that read ďBusiness as usual = death.Ē

Initially, commuters on the crowded platform waited patiently. A few of them hurled insults at the activists. One woman shouted, ďThe world is not coming to an end!Ē

But eventually the crowd grew restlessóno doubt because most of them were trying to get to workóand forcefully pulled the activists off the train. One of protesters appeared to be kicked and beaten after he was dragged off the train into a throng of bystanders.

There were similar disruptions at other stations throughout the city, where some activists glued themselves to a train, just as protesters had glued themselves to the ground earlier this week at Trafalgar Square as police tried to clear the area.

Extinction Rebellion vows to ďpeacefully occupy the centres of power and shut them down.Ē The group, which promised similar demonstrations in other cities across the world, began staging Occupy-style protests in London last week, and by Monday more than 1,400 had been arrested. Authorities have issued a blanket ban on Extinction Rebellion protests and on Thursday London Mayor Sadiq Khan condemned the group for disrupting public transportation.

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So far, the protests have been extremely unpopular. A YouGov poll on Thursday found 63 percent sympathized with the commuters who pulled the protesters off the train. Just 13 percent said they support the protesters.

Itís easy to see why. Even if one believes in catastrophic man-made climate change and supports policies to limit or reverse it, thereís only so much the average person is going to do. Skipping work to indulge extremists demonstrating on top of a train simply isnít an option for most people. Neither is going without electricity or forgoing air travel.

In fact, most people are increasingly of two minds about climate change. On the one hand, they fear it and want something to be done. On the other hand, theyíre not willing to do anything extreme. Thatís what a recent poll by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation found.

The vast majority of Americans ó about 8 in 10 ó said climate change is man-made, about half said urgent action is needed, and nearly 4 in 10 said itís a crisis. At the same time, fewer than 4 in 10 said they were willing to make to make ďmajor sacrificesĒ or pay for it out of their own pockets.

In that sense, the scene at that train station in London on Thursday morning is really the entire climate change debate in microcosm. When extremist climate change ideology conflict with the facts of everyday life, like commuters needing to get to work, most people prefer the latter.

If people arenít willing to give up relatively minor things, theyíll never support the radical emissions cuts and structural changes to the economy espoused by advocates of the Green New Deal like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Maybe thatís because most people know these changes would wreak economic devastation across the world and condemn millions of people to poverty.

Consider the aims of the group behind the London protests. Extinction Rebellion wants the U.K. government to declare a climate emergency, reduce carbon emission to net zero in six years, and form a citizen assembly to oversee the changes. Whether the group will admit it or not, reducing carbon emissions to net zero in six years would devastate the economy of the United Kingdom and plunge it into a pre-industrial dystopia. Simply put, most people arenít on board with that.

Climate Change Hysteria Is an Insult to Working People
The visceral reaction of these London commuters exemplified one other aspect of the climate change debate, which is the disdain environmentalist elites have for ordinary people, especially for the worldís poor. The protesters believed, implicitly, that the commuters should suffer what they must for the sake of raising awareness about climate changeóand they should have no say in the matter.

Here again, the scene at the train station was the climate change debate in microcosm. Those people were going to get on that train, climate activism be damned. In the same way, people without electricity in China and India and the Middle East will do anything to get it. They donít care whether it contributes to global carbon emissions, their priority is being able to turn on the lights.

Indeed, the only way to reduce emissions on a scale that will appease climate change ideologues is if poor people stay poor. Not only that, but plenty of working and middle class people will have to become poor, whether they like it or not.

No wonder they pulled those guys off the train.

ďAll that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed ó only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle.Ē
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I live in the Arctic.
The place is definately warming up.
Roads are buckling, buildings shifting, tundra lakes drying out because the ice lenses are gone.
Permafrost slumping out and dumping a slurry of mud into rivers.
Beach ridges built by pack ice is now being torn down and washed out sea.


Now here is the kicker, the Democrats are using weather change as a Tool to get their foot in the door to create pots of money they can get rich off of and as a power play to oppress Conservitives that predominate agriculture.
They are useing change climate as a platform to put themselves in a position of power to oppress people who are powerless to oppose them.

From what Im seeing going on out here.
NO ammount of legislating is going to affect the weather.
All that arctic tundra thawing, more vegitation will now will start rotting and composting releasing gas because its warmer on a staggering industrial scale that will make cow farts look inconsiqential and small like their Democratic minds.
The earth is changing and already in freefall mode.
Its like falling off a scaffold, you can try to catch ahold but you are still falling, even the possibility of grasping something the momentum is still sweeping you to the ground.
Its beyond anything people can do now.

Right this moment if all edtimated 7.7 billion people on earth decided to take action and use thousands of of Trillions of dollars to change the Global temprature, I belive the temprature trend cant be changed.

The earth is a big shaggy dog, we are fleas debaiting climate change because the dog jumped in a lake to chase a ball.
We are now convinced we fleas are wet because we bit the dog on the fanny (not chasing the ball) that we can change the weather.

Can humans manipulte the weather on this planet?

So now the question is.
IF they do fund their global weather manipulation innitive, whats to keep greedy corrupt politicians from prospering off it?
If they do somehow devise a way to manipulate the weather they manuver the globe into an Ice Age?

I say leave the weather alone.
Scab picking at it is only going to worsten things.
Once they think they can Control the Weather for profit, they will use it to enrichen their backers.

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Itís a great big money grab. The climate is changing as it always has. But how to profit from it? That is the overwhelming problem we face.

Ocean rise? Massive development along the coasts tells me NFW. Investors have a fiduciary responsibility to not throw investor, or their own money into the oceans. Were it a real possibility these projects would not be financed.

If we truly were out of fossil fuels why expand the highway system? If we were truly running out of food why burn bio fuels? If carbon truly was driving this climate problem why fly to the handwringing conference? Isnít this what video conferencing was meant to eliminate?




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