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Leftists Celebrated $15/Hr Minimum Wage, Now They Can't Figure Out Why They're Being Fired
By Johnathan Jones
Published February 24, 2020 at 10:44am

In the years since New York and other liberal cities celebrated raising the minimum wage for workers to $15 an hour, many fast-food restaurant employees have reported being inordinately terminated for minor infractions.

To combat the issue of such terminations, which they see as “unfair,” two Democratic city council members in New York have introduced bills that would diminish the power employers have over their workforce.

According to the New York Daily News, a bill from council members Adrienne Adams and Brad Lander, who represent districts in Queens and Brooklyn respectively, would prevent employers from terminating employment for any reason other than “misconduct or failure to do the job.” The bill also equates employers reducing their employees’ hours by 15 percent or more to the employees being fired.

Another bill introduced by Adams and Lander would force establishments to base firings or layoffs during times of economic hardship on employee seniority.

The proposed “Just Cause” legislation comes after a number of restaurant employees complained in a survey of losing their jobs for minor infractions, or in some cases, for no reason at all.

“Too many fast-food workers have been fired without a just cause, without a warning, without even any notice,” Lander said. “And if you can be fired simply on the whim of an angry boss or a disgruntled customer’s complaint, then you’re far more vulnerable to harassment or abuse.”

While it is certainly valid to fight being unjustly fired, employees, along with Lander and Adams, should also be aware of how increased operating costs might leave businesses with no other choice but to let go of employees whose wages are costing them too much.

Restaurants that have managed to stay afloat, despite having to hike up their prices and pass the increased operating expenses along to their customers, could decide that the cost of doing business is simply too great.

That could leave many more young or unskilled workers with no jobs at all.

Raising the minimum wage for food workers may have seemed like a good idea to workers at the time, but it has clearly come with many negative consequences in New York and other cities.

A minimum wage hike hit restaurants in Seattle particularly hard, where dining establishments simply cannot afford to stay open.

As a result, many food workers in the city have found themselves without a paycheck. The city’s reeling business community is still struggling to adapt to the added labor costs.

“In order to buy great product and pay a great wage that people can live on in our city … the math just doesn’t work,” Seattle chef Matt Dillon said to the Seattle Times when he announced his restaurant would be closing. “There’s gonna be a reckoning, big time. I don’t think it’s gonna be pretty.”

Seattle’s minimum has risen progressively since 2014 and will top out at $15 an hour next year, according to CNBC.

New York City is taking the issue farther by proposing to become the first city to dictate to restaurants when and how they will deploy their labor force.

Businesses in the Empire State, with already razor-thin profits margins, could choose to continue to offset payroll costs through automation or through staff reductions.

Computers, after all, don’t get sick, don’t take smoke breaks and won’t argue with customers.

Restaurant owners could also choose to pack up and leave cities and states where it is becoming cost-prohibitive to operate.

As one New York restaurant chief executive told The New York Times, “Ultimately I’m a fan of making our employees’ lives better but some of these rules make it really, really challenging for us to operate.”

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who is currently the frontrunner to win the party’s nomination, supports raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour — a move supported by other Democratic candidates.

Billionaire Tom Steyer has proposed raising the federal minimum wage to $22 an hour, FOX Business reported.

In evaluating a nationwide minimum wage increase, the Congressional Budget Office concludes, “By boosting the income of low-wage workers who keep their jobs, a higher minimum wage raises their families’ real income, lifting some of those families out of poverty. However, income falls for some families because other workers lose their jobs and business owners must absorb at least some of the higher costs of labor. For those reasons, the net effect of a minimum-wage increase is to reduce average family income.”

If Democrats have their way, businesses seeking relief from the undue burden of government over-regulation might just find themselves with no safe place to operate, and workers will find themselves without a place to work.

“All that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed — only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle.”
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Liberals hate employers even as they purport to love employees.

I hate both groups. At least I'm consistent.
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Liberals hate employers even as they purport to love employees.

I hate both groups. At least I'm consistent.
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post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-24-2020, 08:27 PM

The sad part is that they were to stupid to see this coming. That in itself should be a good reason to fire them.


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Making a decent wage is a desirable thing of course, we all want to make more money. On the other hand, just as the Democrats don't seem to have a reliable source to pay for all the free goodies socialism promises, (but is never able to deliver), the employers forced into paying hhigher wages when the income of the bussiness isn't adequate to support it will naturally become more selective in the employees that it maintains as staff. Could it be that the lower wage jobs and the lessor requirements to work them were the only reason some were able to work at all?

When you command a higher wage more is expected of you. Common sense?
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The common theme I always see in the demand for a higher minimum wage is this. We want more money however we don’t want to work any harder. I don’t care how you add this up, it just won’t work. There is no way an owner of a company will or should take home less money just because employees THINK they should make more money.

Many think that you need a college education to make a 6 figure salary. this is simply not true. What is true is that you will be expected to work and I mean work hard to earn that kind of money. I retired from a utility company about 2 years ago. Our guys out in the field could easily earn that 6 figure salary. It required working over time and working hard in tough weather conditions. The company was more then willing to pay for quality work, hard work and loyalty to the company.

I am of the belief that there should be no minimum wage set by our government. If you don’t like how much your being paid, do something about it. Apply for a different position, get an education or just work some where else. However whining about it is not improving yourself and making yourself more marketable. It is just whining people and that does not make anyone want to give you more money let alone a job.

And just for the record I do not have a college degree. I graduated from high school and joined the Air Force. After 4 years I came home to my home town to find a job I could support my family with. With the lessons I learned in life and especially the military, I was able to do that. sure maybe I was lucky in a few ways, but I worked hard and retired from a company after 34 years. it takes hard work, and a desire to do what’s best for your family and yourself. Whining does not and never will factor into the equation.


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Jim, Thank you for your service and dedication making lives better through the utility for whom you worked. You are right. It is the individuals responsibility to make in life what can best be made.

imo, the road to enrichment starts at home. When broken homes/schools/neighborhoods/leadership produce wage-earners without motivation, education, or skills at best, with entitlement anger, hatred, and racist attitudes at worst, where are they going to go? What are they going to do? Who wants to employ them? Who wants to retrain them?

When an individual's free K-12 education in our public school system is squandered, whether by Peer Pressure, lack of this or that, insecurity at home, inept teaching, less-than-zero or just plain corrupt leadership, their "easy path" is paved to unemployment. Turn it around. It is HARD WORK and DEDICATION that sets people apart. Those willing to tackle the "dirty jobs" with a sincere heart, mind, and devotion get noticed, but that takes a catharsis in changing one's attitude. Those that hit bottom and return are a force with which to be reckoned.

What historically has leadership done? Tirade about the "injustice of disenfranchisement", call everybody else racist, rail against America, and greedily take profit. Some leadership. Corrupt from top to bottom. Most of those so-called "leaders" reach the pinnacle of their dubious "success" by stomping on the backs, shoulders, heads, and faces of the very people they purport to represent. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". A little power corrupts. A lot of power corrupts a lot. Compromised positions are extorted by others.

Give Democrats enough rope and they will hang themselves, but not before ruining everything, and then complaining that the hanging is being done with a new rope. When the free stuff runs out, when there is no food on the shelf because no one farmed vegetables, no one made bread, no one made or distributed fules, the streets were impassible, the trucks didn't roll, no one wants to do anything, it may be heard that "SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE"!
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Land_Owner Thank you and I couldn’t agree with you more. Especially about the squandered education and the educational system in general. One of the things I did to be involved in the community was to run for a position on our local school board. I did win that position and was I surprised once I was on the so called inside. One of the roles was over seeing expulsions in executive sessions. The student and the parents have the opportunity to talk to the full board in private about the expulsion. The expulsion could be over turned or in forced by the board. In almost every situation it only took less then 5 minutes to realize the problem was not with the child, but with the parent. You could very easily see that they did not want to be there and were out raged that we were taking time out of their day. It was rarely about the child but more about why we let this happen. I would always make a point of asking the child questions. What triggered the episode or looking back what could you have done differently. More times then not, the parent would answer for the child. Telling the board they failed the child. It is unfortunate that most parents today look at the public school system as a baby sitting service rather then a path to a better life. I can remember if I got into trouble at school, I was also in trouble at home. Unfortunately that is not what happens today.

Do not misunderstand me, there is plenty of blame to go around. The public school system is broken in many ways. However all education should start and end at home. We had a parent that came in for a meeting with our superintendent. As usual he was mad about something, saying the school was singling his child out. I will never forget what he told that parent. He said “we are here to educate your child and you are the parent. We are doing our job, it’s about time you stepped up and did yours”. That is a statement that should be on a sign at the front door of every school building.

I know we have gotten a little off track and I apologize for that. Thanks for letting me rant.


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Jim, you hit the nail squarely on its head. This cause and effect thread is about the "mandated" $15/hr. minimum wage not equaling its work ethic expectation. Understanding the development of a work ethic is fundamental to the discourse.

Incredible, incredulous, thought provoking, disheartening, and deflating that "it" happened to me. I hired a "professional" engineer in his mid-career, that could neither coherently READ NOR WRITE! How was this middle aged "gentleman" able to SUCCESSFULLY and GAINFULLY function in a world of math, science, public trust and SAFETY, without cognizance in reading and writing? He was EXCELLENT and a MASTER at keeping his shortcomings undisclosed.

He was capable. I respected him. I interviewed him. I had "known him" professionally my whole career. We had coincidentally followed similar paths from college, to work in one FL city, to work in a West Coast FL community, and finally to work on FL's East Coast, neither with the same employer, each in upwardly mobile professional careers. He had no "black marks" or "red flags" at the professional board, nor any that I could find through his references, and I didn't expect that I should. I asked my Boss to give him my job.

How did I find out? ==> A client of influence and substantial future work to our firm complained to my Boss, who asked me to review, that one of this "gentlemen's" emails had "butchered" the client's name from "Rexrode" in the salutation, to which I later wholeheartedly agreed with the client, to "Rebreed" by unchecked AUTO CORRECT - FAIL. My Boss asked me to try to correct the client's perception (I think I did - we got the additional work), to review all of the "gentleman's" future email prior to transmittal (I did - a company policy he had not followed that NOTHING goes to the client that isn't checked and verified - but no company policy if not followed), and to look into his past emails. Oh Brother! I discovered that the "gentlemen's" prowess in English language and sentence structure was, at best - ILLITERATE. I never thought it possible. I had to tell the Boss.

By careful observation, his engineering capability came thorough countless HOURS of UNPAID OVERTIME, his own time, in trial and error solutions (not at all suspect in engineering), writing and rewriting his reports (again no suspicions there), which were not once thought to be anything but "his work" and (thereafter) were checked, corrected, rechecked, verified, and signed-off by either me as Peer Reviewer or another Peer Review/Supervisory engineer in the same field (but could be another office) - no red flags there. His wheels had inadvertently fallen off in one MSWORD email. He remained employed under significantly greater review until he left for "greener pastures" a few YEARS later - so it was never overbearing review and supervision.

It dawned on me that he couldn't read or write, though I never challenged him in that. The evidence to me was quite clear. I later believed he had a Ghost Writer somewhere, perhaps in his life partner and later fiancé, whom he happily married, which made her a VERY happy lady.
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