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NASA creating world's first all-electric airplanes powered by 'holy grail' frozen hydrogen fuel to save Earth from eco-disaster

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NASA funded scientists are working on an environmentally friendly electric plane that's powered by cryogenically-liquified hydrogen fuel.

The engineers have been given three years and $6 million (4.6million) to create the tech which could revolutionize the aviation industry.

The aviation industry is often lambasted for not doing enough to help save the environment.


The International Air Transport Association has estimated that more passengers will be getting on planes in 2036 than there are people alive today.

Although the IATA claims that air travel only accounted for 2% of man-made carbon dioxide emissions in 2017, a lot of people think the number is actually higher and it is certainly going to increase.


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At the same time, hydrogen is finally becoming a cost-effective fuel source.

However, hydrogen cells on their own may be able to power trains or turbines but they lack the ability to power a jet engine without weighing it down because they take up a lot of space.


Luckily, the University of Illinois researchers working on the project have found a way to cryogenically cool hydrogen cells so they can be condensed into a liquid and used as fuel.

When this hydrogen liquid is mixed with oxygen in the engine there is a powerful reaction, which results in a lot of energy that can be converted into electricity to drive an electric propulsion system.

The technology to power a plane using this fuel doesn't currently exist and that's where Nasa comes in with their funding.


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The researchers have warned that air travel in the US is expected to increase 90 percent in the next 20 years so they want to make a plane that can actively reduce emissions before then.


The principal investigator on the project Phillip Ansell said: "Essentially, the program focuses on the development of a fully electric aircraft platform that uses cryogenic liquid hydrogen as an energy storage method.

"The hydrogen chemical energy is converted to electrical energy through a series of fuel cells, which drive the ultra-efficient electric propulsion system. The low-temperature requirements of the hydrogen system also provide opportunities to use superconducting, or lossless, energy transmission and high-power motor systems."

He concluded that his team hopes to address gaps in the technology of electric plane designs and create the first completely electrical aircraft of the future.



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Aircraft occasionally fall out of the sky, so what happens when a full fuel load of hydrogen meets a spark when it hits the ground.
I'm guessing at least 10 neighborhoods wiped out.

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Aircraft occasionally fall out of the sky, so what happens when a full fuel load of hydrogen meets a spark when it hits the ground.
I'm guessing at least 10 neighborhoods wiped out.
But the environment will be safe! No more global warming, we are all saved! (Ecxept for 10 unfortunate neigborhoods)
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Aircraft occasionally fall out of the sky, so what happens when a full fuel load of hydrogen meets a spark when it hits the ground.
I'm guessing at least 10 neighborhoods wiped out.
You think it might form a mushroom cloud? A MOAB does.

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But the environment will be safe! No more global warming, we are all saved! (Ecxept for 10 unfortunate neigborhoods)
Heh, if they get electric planes, I'm moving farther from the airport.
When a hydrogen fuel station opens, they make enemies for a long way around.
Those compressors are LOUD!!!!!
Now imagine trying to compress enough hydro to fuel a bunch of large aircraft.
It's stupid if you ask me.
If a tank of compressed hydro (liquid) ruptures, it instantly returns to the volume of gas that it started as, which is huge, and add a spark and it'll look like Argents mushroom cloud.

Many of the state pick-up trucks here use hydrogen and have a 50 gallon tank mounted in the bed, and they use it all in a normal work day.
The tank is supposedly rupture proof and the titanic was unsinkable.

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I worked for a natural gas company before I retired. We used compressed natural gas (CNG) to power our company vehicles. The compressor station cost our local unit $80,000 to install, not counting about $2,000 to convert each truck. Compressed natural gas is about $1.80 per gallon with the road tax. Cheaper than gasoline, but nationwide the gas companies had a hard time trying to get car manufacturers to make vehicles using CNG. Then we couldn't get gasoline stations to install the compressors needed to refuel the vehicles.

Hydrogen will be worse. There is not hydrogen infrastructure. Natural gas pipelines are all over the country serving most cities, even small cities and towns. Tapping a main and putting in a compressor to sell the gas for vehicles shouldn't be that big a problem.

Global warmers have a lot of pull. If all power plants used natural gas, we could cut CO2 emissions by 2/3rds. NO, they don't want to do that, because natural gas is a fossil fuel, even though the US has a 200 year supply and an untapped supply of 10,000 years in the Bermuda Triangle.

Everyone want's to go with electric vehicles. No problem with me, but we need longer range and quicker charges. The only electric vehicle that comes close is a Tesla Model S with a 320 mile range (little over 4 hours at 70mph), and can be quick charged at one of their charging stations in 45 minutes. One charging station is 2 miles from my house. 45 minutes after 4 hours driving is ok, unless you are wanting to drive straight through to somewhere and you change drivers.
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Heh, if they get electric planes, I'm moving farther from the airport.
When a hydrogen fuel station opens, they make enemies for a long way around.
Those compressors are LOUD!!!!!
Now imagine trying to compress enough hydro to fuel a bunch of large aircraft.
It's stupid if you ask me.
If a tank of compressed hydro (liquid) ruptures, it instantly returns to the volume of gas that it started as, which is huge, and add a spark and it'll look like Argents mushroom cloud.

Many of the state pick-up trucks here use hydrogen and have a 50 gallon tank mounted in the bed, and they use it all in a normal work day.
The tank is supposedly rupture proof and the titanic was unsinkable.
You paint a pretty powerful picture bug. And a very convincing argument against it. I'm sold.
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Shades of the Hindenburg and what can happen when using hydrogen in any kind of aircraft.
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There was an article, ill see if i can find it, if its true hydrogen fueled electric is already outdated. This article talked about the navy already having anti gravidic drive air/spacecraft and that soon they would be being seen more and more. Funny thing is what they showed patent diagrams and renditions of is the TR-3B thqt Ufo folks have been talking about for at least 20 years
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