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post #1 of 73 (permalink) Old 11-16-2017, 09:18 PM Thread Starter
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Default educate me on "fighting size" pistols

so, it that a historical reference to the 1911 ?
a frame size, or barrel length ? or why is a pistol of a certain size better for combat ?

is not the military's new handgun the sig 320 a compact ? smaller than the beretta 92 and 1911 's ?

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Dee is the only one Iíve heard use that phrase.

But I believe it just implys a adequate caliber for the task in a size that is usable by the person that will use it. Itís obvious that not all police or military are of a standard size. So now days it usually means a compromise is necessary.

Handicap and older persons also need to move away from the guns they used when younger.

As you should see by now itís not a one size fits all thing. A 22 mag in the right hands can work well. But of course the old standard 1911 in 45acp might be best if you can shoot it well.

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In a revolver, 3" minimum unless you work really well under stress, and 38 caliber or better in say a K-frame smith. L-frames are nice but heavy.
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Let's say the 1911 commander size frame is just about perfect, but a full size is better.
My problem is, I don't want to carry a 3lb pistol around anymore, and there are more reliable pistols.

There are many choices, and the term compact is deceptive. My choice is the Glock 23. For me, it is the best pointing pistol I've ever shot, and the caliber is perfect in my opinion, and I like the capacity.
I've tried smaller pistols, and revolvers, and they do have their place, but I prefer, and carry a fighting size pistol that I would not hesitate to enter into a fight with.

Remember that in a mechanical rest such as a Ransom, a snub nose will shoot pretty close to a 4" barrell. The problem is movement with a snub nose more dramatically changes impact. SO! Sight radius is important. Stress under fire will deplete accuracy 70% or more.

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Dee is the only one Iíve heard use that phrase.

But I believe it just implys a adequate caliber for the task in a size that is usable by the person that will use it. Itís obvious that not all police or military are of a standard size. So now days it usually means a compromise is necessary.

Handicap and older persons also need to move away from the guns they used when younger.

As you should see by now itís not a one size fits all thing. A 22 mag in the right hands can work well. But of course the old standard 1911 in 45acp might be best if you can shoot it well.

honestly, ive not heard it either but only when Dee said it.
but it got me too thinking ( i know, lol )
that i remember reading somewhere that one of the greats, either Elmer, Jordan or Skelton said something like "if your going to get into a fight, ( the gun you use ) should start with a 4 " ..

and it got me to wondering , beacause Dee ( as i read it seems to imply in part ) that physical size matters to ..
as in, if the gun is too small you cant run it or get a good purchase on it for fighting

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I assure you guys. I didn't coin the term "fightin size pistol". It's been around quite a while, but you guys didn't run in the same circle of men I ran in, so that's why you never heard it before.

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what ever one you happen to have in your hand at the moment fits that description.

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If this arrived in the mail:

You are cordially invited to a handgun fight.
Bring your handgun of choice, any caliber accepted (if you dont own the one you want to bring we will buy it for you)
Last man standing WINS.

I think the parameters of what we would choose would become very clear, very quickly. There would be some variation but the commonalities among the main choices would define the genre without a doubt.
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Well under those circumstances Iíd bring a short barreled shotgun. And lots of brenneke slugs.

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No, the invitation is to a "handgun fight. No shotguns.

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They can bring whatever they want. ��. I’ll bring a handgun too. Along with my shotgun.

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