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I've looked and looked but can't find any reloading data on Magtech brass and the 410. Of course Hodgdon's and alliant's site has info for plastic, but no one has data. Called Hodgdon, nata. Called Magtech, nata. From what I've read: Large pistol primer, Powder(?), .430 shot card, 1/2 once shot wad F 410sc or 2 fiber wads one with oil one without, 1/2 ounce of shot, .450 shot card, glue. Does anyone have the info on the powder and amount???? http://www.ballisticproducts.com/ has a load data book but it only contains Black Powder recipes and only for 12, 20 and 16g. I thought this would be a great way to reload the 410 but lack of data stinks.
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I've looked and looked but can't find any reloading data on Magtech brass and the 410. Of course Hodgdon's and alliant's site has info for plastic, but no one has data. Called Hodgdon, nata. Called Magtech, nata. From what I've read: Large pistol primer, Powder(?), .430 shot card, 1/2 once shot wad F 410sc or 2 fiber wads one with oil one without, 1/2 ounce of shot, .450 shot card, glue. Does anyone have the info on the powder and amount???? http://www.ballisticproducts.com/ has a load data book but it only contains Black Powder recipes and only for 12, 20 and 16g. I thought this would be a great way to reload the 410 but lack of data stinks.
If anyone is interested a Lee reloader knock off: http://lane371.dotster.com/410.html
I was told fire form 444 brass in 410 and that would work,

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I also found this data,
http://traditionalmuzzleloader.com/i...smoothbore-gun

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the 410's i've loaded were with a 1.0 lee dipper of 2400 powder.
it should work out to about 14 grains if the dipper is used correctly
as a dipper and not like like an ice cream scoop like those on yoofloob
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Update. Got some 444 brass from a member here. Bought a punch set from harborfreight (the only one they have it has like five different punches in a pack) Bought some over the powder cards from track of the wolf (.430's) some 1/2 grain shot wads, strip of flet wad material from http://www.durofelt.com/products.html and a half galon milk carton. Punched out some wads and over the shot cards form felt and carton. Loaded up some #8 shot, #4 Buck shot and some 00 buck in the brass shells. Now Alliant gives the max load of 13 and 13.5g of 2400 so that is where I started( http://www.grantcunningham.com/2014/...10-shotshells/) CCI Large pistol primers, 13g 2400 and one .430 over the powder card. Next I tried either a SC410 wad or a Lubed Felt wad (with 60/40 mix of EVOO and beeswax) Now the buckshot has 45/45/10 Alox/paste wax Lube on it. Loaded two of each. All really under charged next time will bump up to 14 and 15g 2400. However, one of the buckshot w/ the sc410 wad had about a 3 inch spread with the three pellets of 00 buck at about 20 yards with a full choke. All partnered well/ the sc410 wads did better than the felt. Fun project and very cool to punch out the felt and the cards. Oh by the way no leading at all took about 5 minutes to clean up the gun with Hoppes. Let me know it you have any questions.
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I have loaded Magtech brass for my .410s (and my 12 and 16). The issue that i found that was a problem as far as I was concerned is that The standard .410 wads were too small for efficient sealing of the load. Magtech brass is drawn to size and the interior of the hulls is larger than the interior of modern plastic hulls. For my 12 gauge, i have to use 11 gauge wads and the 16 uses 14 ga. Components. .410s have the same problem. You really need custom wads to get the best seal.
The best advice given in the replies is the equal/equal load of shot and powder if you are using Magtech brass and BP (which is what the Magtech hulls are designed for).
If you want to use modern components, your best bet is to try to get some lathe turned hulls like those from Rocky Mt. Cartridge. Co. Those can be used very effectively with smokeless powders. Unfortunately, they are pricey at about $94 for 20 hulls. They will, however, last probably forever.
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PS - did some measuring. Magtech .410 brass hulls interior diameter is .460”. Fourten wads are .410-.415”.
Modern Winchester plastic wads are .390” at the base.

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Folks I use both Magtec and plastic hulls with little or no difference in powder..Now yes the brass because of the thinner wall need a slightly larger wad setup..BPI, Track of the wolf and Midsouth can supply them, just let them know you are loading brass. The wads are larger in diameter for brass. I shoot both round ball and 41 cal lubed bullets with no issues using a 38-55 die to put a crimp/taper on the brass, or Duco Cement (E6000 from Walmart) to put a tight seal on.
Lil Gun. 4227, 4756,4198 seem to work well for heavier loading.The 123 grain slug from BPI, I have loaded Blue dot, and 4756. Work your loads up a grain or more for your gun.
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