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Hi, I'm new to this forum. I've always wanted to restore vintage ordnance, going back about 20 years or so. I have recently started to come into possession of two guns, a Victorian era RML MkIV steel 7pounder mountain gun (without carriage) and a 1790s cast Blomefield pattern Naval 6 pounder of the 6ft variety. These are both original guns in good condition. I'm pretty excited to build the carriages because I love to work with wood. I will be posting my progress over the next year(s). I will of course have many questions, as I have never done this before (I'll especially have a lot of questions about the big Blomefield gun and how to treat the iron).

I know the Mountain gun will be able to be fired because a previous owner has many times, but the Blomefield has laid dormant for over a century. Time will tell on it and its condition. They are supposedly a very safe design so we shall see. I know there aren't many of these guns in North America, does anyone else on this board have experience with a Blomefield gun?
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Welcome to the Blackpowder Mortar and Cannon Forum. We would love to see pictures.

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Thanks for the welcome. I do have a pic of the Blomefield on hand, tt will be a while before I have either cannon at home as the mountain gun is a few states away and I am importing the Blomefield from England at the moment from an antique dealer.

Also, a little bit about this gun. It came out of a famous collection in England that was auctioned in 2009. All of the other guns in the lot were very historic pieces, but this one had little history associated to it known as the collecter had passed on. I do believe there is some provenance to this gun, but of what I cannot be certain. What I do know is that it conforms to the board of ordnance Blomefield pattern for 6lb guns and these were heavily used on all types of sloops in the Royal Navy, and well as on the First Rate ship Britannia at the battle of Trafalgar on the quarter deck and forecastle. This gun was accepted into service as can be seen by the large Crown of GR proof for King George III. It's not a civilian gun.


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Yes I recall that auction, had about 6 sizeable iron cannons in it, but the thought of shipping heavy iron from U.K. Drove me off. You are Campbell? I'm sure we've talked on phone many times. Is the other gun Afghan, by chance?
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A great reference for building naval carriages if you don't already have it is: Building 18th Century Naval Artillery by Damian Siekonic. Privateer Media, LLC. You can buy it from his webpage. It is a very detailed, step by step, guide to building naval carriages.

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Yes I recall that auction, had about 6 sizeable iron cannons in it, but the thought of shipping heavy iron from U.K. Drove me off. You are Campbell? I'm sure we've talked on phone many times. Is the other gun Afghan, by chance?
Yes I'm Campbell, not sure we've spoken but I've seen you're videos on youtube, great stuff. The RML tube is indeed an Afghan copy, and deviates slightly from the British steel pattern. These guns have interesting provenance in that they were one of three primary guns used in the 3rd Anglo-Afghan War in 1919 by Royal Afghan Forces. For this gun, I am stuck on which carriage to build since building the correct cast iron break down carriage would be near impossible, so I may go with a US prairie carriage or a custom design, which would be appropriate for Afghan anyways. Also, I will need guidance on projectiles and the rear sight as I plan to shoot this one.

The Blomefield gun, you would be surprised how cheap I have acquired this. I am essentially only paying the cost to freight it to the US, which indeed is substantial but to me is worth it. I know this is not a common gun and I have grown up cherishing British Naval history, especially of the Napoleonic era and before. This gun may be too far gone but I am almost positive this will be my only chance to ever acquire a genuine gun and not a merchant piece. Worst case, I could repair it and sleeve the barrel. This will be getting a 100% authentic Naval carriage built and gun lock.

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There is a discussion forum https://www.victorianforts.co.uk/smforum/index.php . In the Artillery section there is a gentlemen who has restored a a 7 RML. I was looking at one of the guns at one time and and he has offered help and guidance. I believe he has plans. Ypu might wander over there and talk with him.
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Welcome , I looked at your cannon . Does it have a "chip" out of it , also a crack on the cascabel rim by the floor ?

Nice project , good luck,
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Welcome , I looked at your cannon . Does it have a "chip" out of it on the castable rim by the floor ?

Nice project , good luck,
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Hi, yes it does have a chip out of the cascabel rim. It was likely dropped at some time. I have experience welding, and would use an electrode with high nickel content to do a proper repair. I'd have to grind down to good iron, then build it back up, then machine it back to shape. Cast iron is not terribly easy to weld on, but this is in an easy location to weld.
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I'm sorry that looks like chipped bondo to me. In fact a good portion of the cascable and base ring look bondo'd. Sorry.
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