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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 04-18-2019, 01:44 PM Thread Starter
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Default 58 Zouave for elephant?

Saw this about the 58 cal, think I may limber up mine soon, don't think i'll go 180 gr.FFF under a 610 minie ball, but I think mine reach 525 gr.


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Those are cool guns. I would not be shooting mine(if I had one) with a string tied to the trigger though. If the load is so stiff that one has to be worried about it blowing up the gun then.......I'd shoot a lighter load. Those Zouave rifles don't grow on trees these days ya know....or I'd have one!

A 525 grain ball at 1200 fps would kill anything walking if the shooter was up to it.
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I'm betting that elephant guns have thick heavy barrel walls.
In several of my books on elephant hunting before breech loaders, the hunters complained of the weight of the guns.
The recoil of 180 grains of 3F and a 525 grain bullet will be noticeable.

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I read one book that stated they often used a 4ga and a 2ga gun. The owner called one his headache gun took two asprin before shooting and two after. I have shot a 458 win mag with 500 GR bullets. I can't imagine a 4 ga.
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I read one book that stated they often used a 4ga and a 2ga gun. The owner called one his headache gun took two asprin before shooting and two after. I have shot a 458 win mag with 500 GR bullets. I can't imagine a 4 ga.
I shot a .460 #Weatherby back in 1963.
My thumb bloodied my nose, it spun me around on my seat, and for a couple of days I thought my collar bone was broken.

My BIL traded a nice .308 for a Winchester 300 magnum and the first shot tore the retina in his left eye.

30-06 is enough for any animal in the world, just use an appropriate bullet.

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Nothing to do with gun blowing up ,more to recoil on shoulder ! Mine was 95 grains 0f OE 2F under a 510 grain mini that I shoot regular except the other day it slipped off the shoulder pad .I"m sure the purple/black/blue pain will go away in another week or two/Ed
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30-06 is enough for any animal in the world, just use an appropriate bullet
Well, yes and maybe not. Of course, William Bell killed many elephant with his 7mm Mauser. Bell was a remarkable shot. How many Bells are there?
I am reminded of a comment by a friend years ago: yes, you can kill lions all day long with a .30-06. Stack them up. If you want to stop one.That is coming for you, stop it right there, you need something like a .416.

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I know a guy who built a custom 1" bore muzzleloader and took a Cape buffalo with it in Africa.
He was the owner of a small local gunshop and the place burnt down and all his trophy mounts went with the shop.
Sadly he died a few years ago from Alzheimer's .

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I recently bought a Henry carbine in 4570.
With the 405 grain hard casts I loaded a few years ago I'd try about anything.
At 1700fps I'm not sure a lion or elephant would be worse than the recoil. 😖

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If you want to stop one.That is coming for you, stop it right there, you need something like a .416.

I agree, Don't believe the 30-06 is a proper stopping rifle.
The 30-06 in a very good hunting rifle and will work for DG with a properly equipped guide along side you.


Me - I customized a light 8.5# 458WM as my stopping rifle.
Its really not a hunting rifle. Its easy to carry but a beast to shoot.
My thinking on this rifle was simple;
I could easily keep it on me.
IF I "NEEDED" to shoot it, adrenalin would tame the beast.

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