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12-03-2018 08:16 AM
littlecanoe My only answer is because it is part of Godís plan.
12-02-2018 08:47 PM
ironglow
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Originally Posted by littlecanoe View Post
IG. The sadness of your comment is that it isn’t a pity party. It is our state. We ARE still very sinful. Our acknowledgment of this state, simultaneously sinner and saint, is one of the most important aspects of understanding how the Law and Gospel interact on our behalf as believers.

I agree...so?

James teaches an important principle. By recognizing our sin and confessing we are ministering the Gospel to each other. This is also a beautiful act that keeps us grounded in faith and willfully linked to the ongoing work of Christ as He intercedes for us. Confession continually teaches and reminds us of our justification, that it is of Christ, by Christ and for Christ’s sake.

I pray, with confession daily... And I informed you that speaking with a brother last evening, some confession went along with the conversation. Are you of the opinion that we should hold regular "confession sessions"? ...Or as I would call them; "pity parties"?

A quote from Jerome concerning this: Then we are righteous when we confess that we are sinners, and our righteousness stands not in our own merit, but in God’s mercy.
Right on, Jerome... looking for God's mercy..we confess to God, why stop at the bottom step, when we have permission to go right to the top ?

BTW..Jerome who ? wink, wink!



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12-02-2018 11:00 AM
littlecanoe
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Yes, IG, Truth divides.
"No book ever caused so many arguments and fighting then the bible."

His Book does not cause fighting and arguments, failure to seek His understanding of His Book, and the love, joy, peace, etc. it brings when we accept it and walk in it's teachings, is what causes the unregenerate and unrenewed sinner to argue and fight.
Psychobabble.
12-02-2018 10:57 AM
littlecanoe IG. The sadness of your comment is that it isnít a pity party. It is our state. We ARE still very sinful. Our acknowledgment of this state, simultaneously sinner and saint, is one of the most important aspects of understanding how the Law and Gospel interact on our behalf as believers.

James teaches an important principle. By recognizing our sin and confessing we are ministering the Gospel to each other. This is also a beautiful act that keeps us grounded in faith and willfully linked to the ongoing work of Christ as He intercedes for us. Confession continually teaches and reminds us of our justification, that it is of Christ, by Christ and for Christís sake.

A quote from Jerome concerning this: Then we are righteous when we confess that we are sinners, and our righteousness stands not in our own merit, but in Godís mercy.
12-02-2018 10:29 AM
lloyd smale very sad bit of reality.
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No surprise there;

"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
(Luke 12:53 NASB)
12-02-2018 10:06 AM
ironglow
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No. Rather like applying the beatitudes and Gospel to ourselves corporately as well as individually. Solace from a brother is only one facet of his comment. The greater issue is realizing our own sin, sinfulness and sinful tendencies in relation to our brothers. Some however feel that they seldom sin which is problematic in itself.
I had dinner with a Christian brother just last night, at a local restaurant. His wife died just this past spring, from cancer.
My wife died last year, so we have a grief in common.
We not only had a shared grief in common, but shared trials in common... "We spoke of many things, from cabbages to kings."
Our conversation also included many other concerns.... ..But I won't be scheduling many "share our sins" pity parties, in the near future.
12-02-2018 09:51 AM
goodshot Yes, IG, Truth divides.
"No book ever caused so many arguments and fighting then the bible."

His Book does not cause fighting and arguments, failure to seek His understanding of His Book, and the love, joy, peace, etc. it brings when we accept it and walk in it's teachings, is what causes the unregenerate and unrenewed sinner to argue and fight.
12-02-2018 09:39 AM
littlecanoe No. Rather like applying the beatitudes and Gospel to ourselves corporately as well as individually. Solace from a brother is only one facet of his comment. The greater issue is realizing our own sin, sinfulness and sinful tendencies in relation to our brothers. Some however feel that they seldom sin which is problematic in itself.
12-02-2018 09:27 AM
ironglow
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Matthew Henry was referenced lately.

Here are some thoughts from him on confession as he comments on the book of James. If I remember correctly he is coming from a Presbyterian view.

IV. Christians are directed to confess their faults one to another, and so to join in their prayers with an for one another, v. 16. Some expositors connect this with v. 14. As if when sick people send for ministers to pray over them they should then confess their faults to them. Indeed, where any are conscious that their sickness is a vindictive punishment of some particular sin, and they cannot look for the removal of their sickness without particular applications to God for the pardon of such a sin, there it may be proper to acknowledge and tell his case, that those who pray over him may know how to plead rightly for him. But the confession here required is that of Christians to one another, and not, as the papists would have it, to a priest. Where persons have injured one another, acts of injustice must be confessed to those against whom they have been committed. Where persons have tempted one another to sin or have consented in the same evil actions, there they ought mutually to blame themselves and excite each other to repentance. Where crimes are of a public nature, and have done any public mischief, there they ought to be more publicly confessed, so as may best reach to all who are concerned. And sometimes it may be well to confess our faults to some prudent minister or praying friend, that he may help us to plead with God for mercy and pardon. But then we are not to think that James puts us upon telling every thing that we are conscious is amiss in ourselves or in one another; but so far as confession is necessary to our reconciliation with such as are at variance with us, or for gaining information in any point of conscience and making our own spirits quiet and easy, so far we should be ready to confess our faults. And sometimes also it may be of good use to Christians to disclose their peculiar weaknesses and infirmities to one another, where there are great intimacies and friendships, and where they may help each other by their prayers to obtain pardon of their sins and power against them. Those who make confession of their faults one to another should thereupon pray with and for one another. The 13th verse directs persons to pray for themselves: Is any afflicted let him pray; the 14th directs to seek for the prayers of ministers; and the 16th directs private Christians to pray one for another; so that here we have all sorts of prayer (ministerial, social, and secret) recommended.
...Rather like a confidant or shrink, if we need one..
12-02-2018 09:25 AM
ironglow
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yup id guess he shakes his head at how the bible has been used. No book ever caused so many arguments and fighting then the bible. No book has even been remotely close. Funny thing is some here think its exactly why he gave it to us. Or at least act like it.
No surprise there;

"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
(Luke 12:53 NASB)
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